Sara Schindler returns to the show to talk about the phenomenon and problems of privately owned, publicly open spaces. We start, though, with a brief conversation about art and sexism. Then (12:23), we turn to Sarah's paper. What are POPOS? How are they created? Are they parks on the cheap or amenities of private businesses? Whether it's Balinese chanting in a corporate atrium, places to fly kites, or a spot to meet a new friend, we all need our third places. This show’s links: Sarah Schindler's faculty profile and writing Sarah Schindler, The 'Publicization' of Private Space Oral Argument 54: Folly Bridges (an episode we did with Sarah about her paper, Architectural Exclusion: Discrimination and Segregation Through Physical Design of the Built Environment) Oral Argument 63: A Struggle with Every Single One (guest Jessica Owley) Special Guest: Sarah Schindler.