The Lawfare Podcast

The Lawfare Podcast

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The Lawfare Podcast features discussions with experts, policymakers, and opinion leaders at the nexus of national security, law, and policy. On issues from foreign policy, homeland security, intelligence, and cybersecurity to governance and law, we have doubled down on seriousness at a time when others are running away from it. Visit us at www.lawfareblog.com.


Adam Jentleson and Molly Reynolds on Getting Rid of the Senate Filibuster
Aug 14 • 52 min
On July 30, former President Obama, speaking at the funeral of Congressman John Lewis, threw his weight behind ending the Senate filibuster if necessary to pursue a voting rights agenda. His comments brought to the forefront a debate that has been…
Shane Huntley on Countering Digital Threats at Google
Aug 13 • 46 min
This week on Lawfare’s Arbiters of Truth series on disinformation, Alina Polyakova and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Shane Huntley, the director of Google’s Threat Analysis Group—a team that leads Google’s efforts to track threats from nation states and…
Trump Takes Aim at TikTok and WeChat
Aug 12 • 55 min
President Trump recently issued executive orders aimed at banning TikTok and WeChat from operating in the United States. To discuss the sanction, Bobby Chesney sat down with Dr. Sheena Chestnut Greitens and Dr. Ronald Deibert. In addition to the executive…
The McGahn Decision and Proxy Voting
Aug 11 • 52 min
Last week, the DC Circuit Court of Appeals in Washington handed down a major en banc decision on the question of whether Don McGahn even needs to show up in response to a congressional subpoena. In a separate case, a lower court ruled on an internecine…
Jim Sciutto on Trump and ‘The Madman Theory’
Aug 10 • 46 min
During the Vietnam War, Richard Nixon employed an unusual scare tactic in his efforts to reach a withdrawal—he led Vietnam to believe he was crazy enough to start a nuclear war, an approach he described as the madman theory. From his first days in office,…
Chad Wolf vs. the Committee with No Bull
Aug 7 • 59 min
Acting Secretary of Homeland Security Chad Wolf testified before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee on Thursday. He was asked about the recent DHS personnel deployments in the wake of mass protests, particularly in Portland,…
Ben Collins and Brandy Zadrozny Explain QAnon
Aug 6 • 53 min
Evelyn Douek and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Ben Collins and Brandy Zadrozny, reporters at NBC News. Writing at NBCNews.com, they report on disinformation and misinformation in health and politics. Their work covers a lot of ground, but for this episode,…
DHS Compiles Intelligence on Journalists … Including our Editor-In-Chief
Aug 5 • 53 min
“What if J. Edgar Hoover Had Been a Moron?” That’s the question Lawfare’s editor-in-chief Benjamin Wittes asks in a new article about his experience learning that his tweets had been written up in an intelligence report by the Department of Homeland…
The Senate Foreign Relations Committee’s Democratic Staff Report on Diplomacy in Crisis
Aug 4 • 64 min
Last week, the Democratic staff of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee released its most recent oversight report titled “Diplomacy in Crisis: The Trump Administration’s Decimation of the State Department.” Following remarks by Ranking Member Bob…
Michel Paradis on ‘Last Mission to Tokyo’
Aug 3 • 53 min
Ben Wittes spoke with Michel Paradis, a scholar of international law and human rights who has worked for more than a decade for the U.S. Department of Defense Military Commissions Defense Organization, where he has worked on a number of the landmark court…
Pompeo vs. the Committee with No Bull
Jul 31 • 86 min
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Thursday. Pompeo was asked about the threats posed by China and Russia, the decision to withdraw 12,000 U.S. troops from Germany, the upcoming presidential election…
Jillian C. York on Free Expression on a Broken Internet
Jul 30 • 46 min
This week on Lawfare’s Arbiters of Truth series on disinformation, Kate Klonick and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Jillian C. York, the director for International Freedom of Expression at the Electronic Frontier Foundation. She’s been an activist working on…
Barr vs. the Committee with No Bull
Jul 29 • 83 min
Attorney General William Barr testified before the House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday. Barr was asked about the federal government’s response to protests, the upcoming presidential election, the dismissal of former U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman and much…
What to Do With Detained Islamic State Fighters in Iraq and Syria
Jul 28 • 49 min
For a while, there have been large numbers of alleged former Islamic State state fighters and affiliates detained by the Iraqi government and by autonomous authorities in Syria. The fate of these detainees remains a pressing national security issue for…
Anne Applebaum on the Twilight of Democracy
Jul 27 • 38 min
Anne Applebaum is the author of “Twilight of Democracy: The Seductive Lore of Authoritarianism,” a book that explores why authoritarian ideologies are on the ascendance in countries as diverse as Poland, Hungary, Spain, the United States and Great…
How Corruption Works in China
Jul 24 • 62 min
Why has modern China prospered in spite of vast corruption? On this episode of ChinaTalk, Jordan Schneider talks with Yuen Yuen Ang, associate professor of political science at the University of Michigan, about her new book, “China’s Gilded Age: The…
Hany Farid on Deep Fakes, Doctored Photos and Disinformation
Jul 23 • 53 min
Evelyn Douek and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Hany Farid, whose work focuses on analyzing and identifying altered photo and video—what’s known as digital image forensics. They talked about how dangerous deep fakes really are, how much of that danger is the…
Schrems II and the Future of Transatlantic Data
Jul 22 • 37 min
Last week, the European Court of Justice released its much awaited decision in Data Protection Commissioner v Maximilian Schrems, commonly known as Schrems II, which addressed which privacy requirements governments and corporations within the European…
The Expanded Intelligence Activities of the Department of Homeland Security
Jul 21 • 56 min
Yesterday, Lawfare published an article revealing and analyzing a document from the Department of Homeland Security that offers legal guidance to analysts in its Office of Intelligence and Analysis regarding the appropriate intelligence activities to…
The Forgotten War Remembered
Jul 20 • 50 min
This year marks the 70th anniversary of the beginning of the Korean War. To commemorate this anniversary, Benjamin Wittes spoke with Katharine Moon, Matt Waxman and Scott R. Anderson about what happened on the Korean peninsula during the war, how it…
John Allen and Darrell West on Artificial Intelligence
Jul 17 • 48 min
Benjamin Wittes spoke with Darrell West and John Allen, the authors of the book, “Turning Point: Policymaking in the Era of Artificial Intelligence,” a broad look at the impact that artificial intelligence systems are likely to have on everything from the…
Jane Lytvynenko on Debunking the Disinformation Garbage Fire
Jul 16 • 49 min
This week on our Arbiters of Truth series on disinformation, Evelyn Douek and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Jane Lytvynenko, a senior reporter at BuzzFeed News who focuses on disinformation. What is it like to report on disinformation and misinformation in…
A Deep Dive on China and the Uighurs
Jul 15 • 58 min
We talk a lot about Chinese policy in Hong Kong, but there’s another human rights crisis going on in China in the province of Xinjiang. It concerns the Turkic minority known as the Uighurs whom the Chinese government has been rounding up and putting in…
David Rohde on the Supposed “Deep State”
Jul 14 • 51 min
What is the actual history of presidents and Congress clashing with national security and law enforcement institutions? And how has that led to Trump’s notion of a deep state out to get him? David Priess spoke with two-time Pulitzer Prize winner David…
COVID-19 and its National Security Implications in the Middle East, South Asia and Africa
Jul 13 • 47 min
You’ve heard a lot about COVID-19 and its effects in the United States, China and East Asia, Europe and Brazil. But what about the Middle East, South Asia and Africa? The virus is hitting these regions hard with profound political and national security…
The Subpoena Cases Come Down
Jul 10 • 52 min
Yesterday, the Supreme Court decided Trump v. Vance, in which the president tried to beat back a subpoena from a New York grand jury, and Trump v. Mazars USA, LLP, in which the president tried to beat back a congressional subpoena for his financial…
Brandi Collins-Dexter on COVID-19 Misinformation and Black Communities
Jul 9 • 55 min
Evelyn Douek and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Brandi Collins-Dexter, who recently published the report, “Canaries in the Coal Mine: COVID-19 Misinformation and Black Communities,” tracing how different false narratives about the pandemic surfaced among Black…
Xinjiang, Hong Kong and China
Jul 8 • 41 min
The protests in Hong Kong have grabbed international headlines, but Hong Kong is hardly the only region of China that is experiencing brutal repression from the Chinese Communist Party. The latest unrest in the city and the imposition of the new national…
David Priess on the History of the President’s Daily Brief
Jul 7 • 44 min
The president’s daily brief has been in the news of late because of the Russia bounties story and the question of whether President Trump is actually internalizing the intelligence he is given in his daily briefing. Benjamin Wittes spoke with David Priess…
Chris Brose on ‘The Kill Chain’
Jul 6 • 41 min
Christian Brose is the author of “The Kill Chain: Defending America and the Future of High-Tech Warfare,” a look at how far behind the United States is growing in possible conflict against its principal national security adversary: China. Ben Wittes sat…
David Shimer on “Rigged”
Jul 3 • 61 min
Jack Goldsmith spoke with David Shimer, the author of “Rigged: America, Russia and 100 Years of Covert Electoral Interference.” They discussed United States and Soviet interference in elections during the Cold War, how and why the U.S. attitude toward…
Darius Kazemi on The Great Bot Panic
Jul 2 • 50 min
On this episode of our Arbiters of Truth series on disinformation, Evelyn Douek and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Darius Kazemi, an internet artist and bot-maker extraordinaire. Darius argues that a great deal of reporting and research on bots is often wrong…
Taking China to Court Over the Coronavirus
Jul 1 • 55 min
As the United States continues to suffer from the effects of the coronavirus, the controversy surrounding China’s alleged role in the pandemic has continued to grow. In recent weeks, it has even entered the U.S. courts, as private plaintiffs have brought…
About Those Russian Bounties
Jun 30 • 54 min
The New York Times and Washington Post both report that a Russian intelligence unit is paying bounties to Taliban-affiliated militants for killing coalition, including U.S., soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan. Benjamin Wittes spoke with Scott Anderson,…
Eric Posner on ‘The Demagogue’s Playbook’
Jun 29 • 58 min
Jack Goldsmith sat down with Eric Posner, the author of the new book, “The Demagogue’s Playbook: The Battle for American Democracy from the Founders to Trump.” They discussed why demagogues are a characteristic threat in democracies, how the founders of…
Hong Kong’s Protests One Year On
Jun 26 • 76 min
Jordan Schneider sat down with Antony Dapiran, Hong Kong-based lawyer and author of two books on protests in Hong Kong. They discussed the history and legacy of the 2019 protests on the anniversary of one of the largest protests in human history, when two…
Whitney Phillips and Ryan Milner on Our Polluted Information Environment
Jun 25 • 56 min
In this episode of our Arbiters of Truth series on disinformation, Evelyn Douek and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Whitney Phillips and Ryan Milner, authors of the new book, “You Are Here: A Field Guide for Navigating Polarized Speech, Conspiracy Theories, and…
Election Meltdown Update
Jun 24 • 42 min
COVID-19 is still rampaging around the country, primaries in several states did not go as planned, and, of course, there are Russians lurking in the background. With all of this happening around us, what is going to happen with the election we are about…
Glenn Kessler on Donald Trump’s Assault on Truth
Jun 23 • 40 min
Along with Salvador Rizzo and Meg Kelly, Glenn Kessler is the author of the book, “Donald Trump and His Assault on Truth: The President’s Falsehoods, Misleading Claims and Flat-Out Lies.” Kessler spoke with Benjamin Wittes about what makes Trump different…
John Bolton’s Book is Out of the Barn
Jun 22 • 52 min
John Bolton’s White House memoir, titled “The Room Where it Happened,” has made a lot of waves recently. Not only has he faced criticism for publishing his account of his time in the Trump administration in a book rather than testifying in the president’s…
Mira Rapp-Hooper on ‘Shields of the Republic’
Jun 19 • 35 min
Dr. Mira Rapp-Hooper is the Stephen A. Schwarzman senior fellow for Asia studies at the Council on Foreign Relations and author of the new book, “Shields of the Republic: The Triumph and Peril of America’s Alliances.” Matthew Waxman spoke with Mira about…
Laura Rosenberger on Chinese Information Operations
Jun 18 • 47 min
On this episode of Lawfare’s Arbiters of Truth series on disinformation, Alina Polyakova and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Laura Rosenberger, the director of the Alliance for Securing Democracy and a senior fellow at The German Marshall Fund of the United…
Norm Ornstein and John Fortier on the Continuity of Government
Jun 17 • 53 min
Molly Reynolds spoke with Norm Ornstein and John Fortier about the Continuity of Government Commission, an effort they helped to lead to ensure that our three branches of government would be able to function after a catastrophic attack that killed or…
Lawrence Douglas on Presidential Election Concessions
Jun 16 • 41 min
Jacob Schulz sat down with Lawrence Douglas, James J. Grosfeld Professor of Law, Jurisprudence and Social Thought at Amherst College, and author of the new book “Will He Go? Trump and the Looming Election Meltdown in 2020.” They talked about the…
Patrick Skinner on Warrior Cops and Neighborhood Policing
Jun 15 • 57 min
Patrick Skinner is a police officer in Savannah, GA, who brings diverse experience to that job. He served as a case officer at the Central Intelligence Agency, handling foreign intelligence sources in places like Afghanistan, Iraq and Jordan. David Priess…
Evan Osnos on Tiananmen and Lafayette
Jun 12 • 37 min
In this episode of the ChinaTalk podcast, Jordan Schneider interviews Evan Osnos of The New Yorker about the anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre and the relationship between that date and the clearing of Lafayette Square. They talk about…
Eileen Donahoe on Protecting Free Expression Online
Jun 11 • 40 min
There’s no shortage of controversies roiling right now about free expression and the future of the internet. Eileen Donahoe, Quinta Jurecic and Alina Polyakova talk about the various debates over content moderation taking place within the United States…
David Frum on Trumpocalypse
Jun 10 • 44 min
David Frum joined Benjamin Wittes for a wide-ranging conversation of the ground he covers in his book, “Trumpocalypse”: how you rebuild after Trump, how you satisfy elements of Trumpism without letting them descend back into authoritarian populism, what…
Congressional Overspeech with Josh Chafetz
Jun 9 • 35 min
Margaret Taylor sat down with Josh Chafetz, a law professor and author of the book “Congress’s Constitution: Legislative Authority and the Separation of Powers.” They talked about his most recent article, in which he argues that congressional overspeech,…
The Trump Administration’s Latest Moves to Dismantle the Iran Nuclear Agreement with Peter Harrell and Richard Nephew
Jun 8 • 36 min
On May 27, the Trump administration announced that it was withdrawing sanctions waivers that had allowed Russian, Chinese and European companies to work with Iran on sensitive Iranian nuclear sites in support of the goals of the 2015 Iran nuclear…
Covert Action, Regime Change and International Law with Michael Poznansky
Jun 5 • 43 min
What if one effect of an established international principle actually spurs more covert action against other countries? In Michael Poznansky’s new book, “In the Shadow of International Law: Secrecy and Regime Change in the Postwar World,” he argues just…
Ryan Merkley on Why Wikipedia Works
Jun 4 • 51 min
In this episode of our Arbiters of Truth series on disinformation, Evelyn Douek and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Ryan Merkley, the chief of staff to the executive director of the Wikimedia Foundation. They talked about Wikipedia’s unique structure, how the…
Rashawn Ray on Police Violence
Jun 3 • 53 min
Dr. Rashawn Ray joined Benjamin Wittes to discuss the mechanisms of police violence, what causes it, what can be done to address it and reduce it, and the role of race in this problem. They talked about police unions, implicit bias, the difference between…
On the Brink with the Insurrection Act
Jun 2 • 53 min
The president is threatening to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization. This evening, he appears to have ordered a tear gas attack on peaceful protesters near the White House in order to stage a photo op in front of a local church. And he has called…
Bart Gellman on ‘Dark Mirror’
Jun 1 • 61 min
Journalist Bart Gellman is the author of the new book, “Dark Mirror: Edward Snowden and the American Surveillance State.” Jack Goldsmith sat down with Gellman to discuss the book. They spoke about Gellman’s reporting on the Snowden affair, the scope of…
Eli Lake Makes the Case for Flynn
May 29 • 56 min
Eli Lake is the author of a recent article on the case of Michael Flynn where he argues that Flynn was railroaded, he was set up, the FBI behaved inappropriately, and the Justice Department pursued Flynn unfairly and was thus correct under AG Bill Barr to…
Gabrielle Lim on the Life and Death of Malaysia’s Anti-Fake News Act
May 28 • 45 min
Evelyn Douek and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Gabrielle Lim about her new report with Data and Society on a Malaysian law ostensibly aimed at stamping out disinformation. The Anti-Fake News Act, passed in 2018, criminalized the creation and dissemination of…
Hong Kong Erupts
May 27 • 40 min
Hong Kong protesters are out in the streets once again, as the Beijing legislature contemplates a new national security law for the city, and the Hong Kong legislature considers a bill to make it a crime to disrespect the Chinese national anthem. Benjamin…
The SpaceX Launch and the Future of Space Law
May 26 • 47 min
On Wednesday, NASA and the SpaceX Corporation are scheduled to send astronauts back into outer space from U.S. soil for the first time since the U.S. space shuttle program ended in 2011. The launch promises to kick off a new era in space exploration. To…
Steve Teles on ‘Never Trump’
May 23 • 56 min
Steven Teles is the author of a new book with Robert P. Saldin, “Never Trump: The Revolt of the Conservative Elites.” Benjamin Wittes spoke with Teles about the book, how the national security and legal communities approach Donald Trump and how these two…
Deen Freelon on Why Black Trolls Matter
May 21 • 51 min
This week on Lawfare’s Arbiters of Truth series on disinformation, Evelyn Douek and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Deen Freelon, an associate professor at the University of North Carolina Hussman School of Journalism and Media. Deen’s work focuses on data…
Trump and his Predecessors with Kate Andersen Brower
May 20 • 44 min
There aren’t many laws governing how former presidents should interact with the current commander-in-chief, or with each other. But over time, we have developed a body of norms about how to do so appropriately. David Priess recently sat down in the…
Firing Inspectors General
May 19 • 47 min
President Trump on Friday fired the inspector general of the State Department. To discuss the Trump administration’s removals of inspectors general, Benjamin Wittes spoke with Mike Bromwich, Jack Goldsmith and Margaret Taylor. They talked about many…
David Kaye on Free Speech During a Pandemic
May 16 • 56 min
Jack Goldsmith sat down with David Kaye, the outgoing U.N. Special Rapporteur on the promotion and protection of the right to freedom of opinion and expression, to talk about Kaye’s new U.N. report on “Disease pandemics and the freedom of opinion and…
Global Trade and Investment in the Coronavirus Era
May 15 • 53 min
To discuss how the global trade and investment systems are being impacted by the coronavirus pandemic, Scott R. Anderson spoke to three legal experts who have a wealth of private and public sector experience between them: Julian Arato of Brooklyn Law…
Craig Silverman on Real Reporting on Fake News
May 14 • 47 min
On this week’s episode of Lawfare’s Arbiters of Truth series on disinformation, Evelyn Douek spoke with Craig Silverman, the media editor for Buzzfeed News and one of the leading journalists covering the disinformation beat. Craig is credited with coining…
Elizabeth Shackelford on ‘The Dissent Channel’
May 13 • 51 min
Scott R. Anderson sat down with Elizabeth Shackelford, a former foreign service officer whose late 2017 resignation became a sign of growing discontent with the Trump administration within the diplomatic corps. They talked about her new book, “The Dissent…
The President’s Tax Returns and the Supreme Court
May 12 • 53 min
The Supreme Court today held arguments in a blockbuster case. Do the Trump tax returns and associated financial documents at firms like Mazars and Deutsche Bank need to be turned over in response to congressional subpoenas and a subpoena by a New York…
‘Unmaking the Presidency’
May 10 • 36 min
From the moment of his inauguration, Trump has challenged our deepest expectations of the presidency. But what are those expectations? Where did they come from, and how great is the damage? “Unmaking the Presidency: Donald Trump’s War on the World’s Most…
Dropping the Flynn Case
May 9 • 57 min
The Justice Department moved this week to dismiss the charges against Michael Flynn, a man who had pled guilty to lying to the FBI. It was an extraordinary move, one that provoked glee among the president’s supporters and outrage among Justice Department…
Tony Mills on Congress’s Institutional Limitations in Responding to the Coronavirus
May 8 • 37 min
Margaret Taylor sat down with Tony Mills, director of science policy at the R Street Institute, to talk about an article he recently wrote with Robert Cook-Deegan titled, “Where’s Congress? Don’t Just Blame Trump for the Coronavirus Catastrophe.” They…
Aric Toler on How Not to Report on Disinformation
May 7 • 47 min
Evelyn Douek and Alina Polyakova talked to Aric Toler of Bellingcat, who recently published a blog post in response to a New York Times article on Russian influence campaigns, that Aric called “How Not to Report on Disinformation.” Evelyn and Alina asked…
The Lawfare Podcast Bonus Edition: John Ratcliffe vs. The Committee With No Bull
May 6 • 82 min
Representative John Ratcliffe testified before the Senate Select Intelligence Committee as a part of his nomination for the position of Director of National Intelligence. Ratcliffe was asked about his views on Russian interference, about the threat…
Jung Pak on ‘Becoming Kim Jong Un’
May 5 • 53 min
Jung Pak is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, a former CIA analyst and a North Korea specialist. She is the author of “Becoming Kim Jong Un: A Former CIA Analyst’s Insights into North Korea’s Enigmatic Young Dictator.” She joined Benjamin…
Law, Policy and Empire with Daniel Immerwahr
May 2 • 43 min
Last month, David Priess spoke with Daniel Immerwahr, associate professor of history at Northwestern University and author of “How to Hide an Empire.” They talked about everything from what the Constitution says about lands west of the thirteen colonies,…
Tom Wheeler and Nicol Turner Lee on 5G Deployment and Digital Competition with China
May 1 • 47 min
Margaret Taylor spoke with Brookings scholars Tom Wheeler and Nicol Turner Lee to discuss their new papers published as part of a two-year-long Brookings project called Global China: Assessing China’s Growing Role in the World. They talked about where the…
Thomas Rid on ‘Active Measures,’ Part 2
Apr 30 • 51 min
In this episode of Lawfare’s Arbiters of Truth miniseries on disinformation, Quinta Jurecic and Alina Polyakova spoke with Thomas Rid about his new book, “Active Measures: The Secret History of Disinformation and Political Warfare.” They discussed…
Thomas Rid on ‘Active Measures,’ Part 1
Apr 29 • 42 min
Jack Goldsmith spoke with Thomas Rid about Rid’s new book, “Active Measures: The Secret History of Disinformation and Political Warfare.” The book is about the history of information operations and influence campaigns, and we’re bringing you a two-part…
Sophia Yan Reports from Quarantine in Beijing
Apr 28 • 33 min
Sophia Yan joined Benjamin Wittes from Beijing where she is in coronavirus lockdown after traveling to Wuhan, China, to see how it was recovering from being the coronavirus epidemic center earlier in the year. They talked about what Wuhan looks like these…
Coronavirus, Federalism and Supply Chains: A Case Study
Apr 25 • 41 min
For this episode of the Lawfare Podcast, we have a case study of how pandemic control measures intersect with federalism issues and supply chain continuity and security. With a focus on what’s happening in Illinois, David Priess spoke with Rob Karr, the…
Charlie Warzel on the Pandemic Internet
Apr 23 • 48 min
On this episode of Lawfare’s Arbiters of Truth series on disinformation, Kate Klonick and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Charlie Warzel, an opinion writer at large at the New York Times. They talked about what the COVID-19 pandemic shows us about the role of…
Mom and Dad Talk Clinical Trials in a Pandemic
Apr 21 • 46 min
There has been a lot of confusion during the COVID-19 crisis about what counts as legitimate clinical evidence that a treatment really works. Ben Wittes and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Janet Wittes and Steve Buyske about the history of clinical trials, the…
Former Congressman Brian Baird and Daniel Schuman on How Congress Can Continue to Function Remotely
Apr 20 • 43 min
Margaret Taylor talked with former Congressman Brian Baird, and Daniel Schuman, a lawyer, technologist and government transparency advocate, about Congress’s rather timid efforts so far to innovate in the age of social distancing, and ways Congress could…
Is Contact Tracing a Privacy Threat?
Apr 18 • 66 min
Many people are holding out contact tracing as the way we are going to control the COVID-19 epidemic. Can we do it legally? Should we do it? Will it be effective? To work through the do’s and don’ts and cans and can’ts of contact tracing, Benjamin Wittes…
The Lawfare Podcast Special Edition: The National Security Law Guys Talk Adjourning Congress, “Total Authority” and Guantanamo
Apr 17 • 63 min
Lawfare founder Bobby Chesney and Lawfare contributing editor Steve Vladeck host the weekly from the University of Texas Law School, where they discuss current developments in national security law. had lots of content that we thought Lawfare…
Camille François on Covid-19 and the ABCs of Disinformation
Apr 16 • 49 min
Evelyn Douek and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Camille François, the Chief Innovation Officer at Graphika, where she works to identify and mitigate disinformation and misinformation online. On April 15, Graphika released a report on an Iranian influence…
Viktor Orbán Switches Democracy Off
Apr 14 • 46 min
Nobody has been more aggressive about using the coronavirus crisis to seize power than Hungarian strong man Viktor Orbán. Orbán declared a state of emergency and has been ruling by decree. He has also instigated criminal penalties for spreading false…
ICE, CBP and Coronavirus Response
Apr 13 • 52 min
Mikhaila Fogel sat down with immigration reporters Hamed Aleaziz of Buzzfeed News, Dara Lind of ProPublica, and Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, a lawyer at the American Immigration Council. They discussed how Immigration and Customs Enforcement, as well as…
Stan Brand on the State of Congressional Oversight and Subpoena Power
Apr 11 • 51 min
Margaret Taylor sat down with Stan Brand to talk about key issues working their way through the courts that could redefine congressional subpoena power and congressional oversight for a generation. How will these cases move forward in light of the…
Jim Baker on FISA Errors
Apr 10 • 45 min
Jim Baker served as general counsel for the Federal Bureau of Investigation. He was also the counsel for the Office of Intelligence Policy and Review at the Justice Department, where he supervised FISA applications. He joined Benjamin Wittes in the…
Kate Klonick and Alina Polyakova on Pandemics, Platform Governance and Geopolitics
Apr 9 • 46 min
On this episode of Lawfare’s Arbiters of Truth series, Quinta Jurecic speaks with Alina Polyakova and Kate Klonick. Alina has been running a great series of virtual events at the Center for European Policy Analysis on disinformation and geopolitics during…
China, Technology and Global Supply Chains with the Cyberspace Solarium Commission
Apr 8 • 85 min
March 11 marked the launch of the official report of the Cyberspace Solarium Commission. In this episode of the Lawfare Podcast, we hear a lively discussion from some of the Commission’s members, including the co-chair, Representative Mike Gallagher, on a…
The United Nations and the Coronavirus Crisis
Apr 7 • 46 min
The devastating effects of the coronavirus COVID-19 are being felt in nearly every corner of the world, with little regard for national borders or boundaries. In many ways, this makes it the exact sort of transnational threat that the United Nations is…
Stephen Holmes on Liberalism in the 21st Century
Apr 4 • 58 min
Stephen Holmes is the Walter E. Mayer Professor of Law at New York University. Jack Goldsmith sat down with Holmes to talk about his new book and much more. The pair discussed the fate of liberalism in the decades following the fall of the Berlin wall,…
Nate Persily Asks Whether Democracy Can Survive the Internet
Apr 2 • 53 min
Evelyn Douek and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Nate Persily, a member of the Kofi Annan Commission on Democracy and Elections in the Digital Age, which recently released a report on election integrity and the internet. Nate is also an expert on election law…
Dan Drezner on Zombies, Viruses, and Toddlers
Apr 1 • 39 min
Joining Ben Wittes in the virtual jungle studio is Daniel Drezner, the author of two political science books: one on zombie apocalypses and international relations theory, and a new book on the president as a toddler. Dan and Ben talked about how zombies…
Ben Hubbard on MBS
Mar 31 • 45 min
Jacob Schulz talked with Ben Hubbard of the New York Times about Mohammed Bin Salman’s rise to power in Saudi Arabia, his influence on domestic life in Saudi Arabia, his relationship to Jared Kushner and the Trump administration, and about the White House…
Coronavirus Around the World
Mar 28 • 87 min
As the coronavirus pandemic spreads across the globe, it can be difficult to keep track of how the virus has spread and how different countries have responded. So this week, we are bringing you dispatches about how nine different countries are handling…
How the State Department and the Defense Department are Responding to the Covid-19 Pandemic
Mar 27 • 51 min
On this bonus edition of the Lawfare Podcast, we have combined two conversations about about how the Department of State and the Department of Defense are responding to the Covid-19 pandemic. Margaret Taylor sat down virtually with Robbie Gramer, the…
Baybars Örsek on Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Fact-Checking
Mar 26 • 44 min
On this episode of Lawfare’s Arbiters of Truth series on disinformation, Evelyn Douek and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Baybars Örsek, the Director of the International Fact-Checking Network at the Poynter Institute. Quinta and Evelyn spoke with him about the…