You Never Studied

You Never Studied
Two moderately-informed pastors try and make sense of church, media, and culture.

58: A Theology of Covid-19 and Web Slinging Meets Sling Ringing
Oct 12 • 29 min
Is Covid-19 a “blessing from God” or “divine judgment”? Or neither? It depends on who you ask and who’s been infected… maybe? Hans and Evan try and make sense of this question. ALSO—Doctor Strange is joining Spider-Man for his third solo film in the…
57: Urban Legends of Church History w/ Michael Svigel & John Adair
Oct 6 • 32 min
You know all those stories you’ve heard about the early church? The books of the Bible were formed by a committee? Santa punched a heretic in the face? Hans and Evan get to the bottom of some of these legends and erroneous claims with authors and…
56: Hopelessness, Sneak Peek, and Wandavision
Sep 28 • 28 min
Hans and Evan talk through an Atlantic article on coping with the feeling of hopelessness during these troubling times. Then, we give a sneak peek at next week’s deep dive into the Urban Legends of Church History. And Evan might just sell Hans on…
055: Catholic Converts, Trinitarianism, and DUNE
Sep 21 • 37 min
The former editor of Christianity Today, among the foremost Evangelical Christian publications, converts to Catholicism. Hans and Evan discuss. Also Robert Letham’s book on the Trinity. And the incredibly amazing Dune Trailer—at least, according to Evan.
054: Beatles Break-Up Nuance, Sermon On The Mount, and Facing the Music with Bill and Ted
Sep 8 • 35 min
Evan and Hans discuss the Beatles Breakup 50 years later and narratives that persist even though, like many things, the truth is much more complicated. Speaking of Truth, Hans talks a new book on the Sermon on the Mount. And then Evan reviews Bill &…
YNS After Hours - DC Fandome
Aug 31 • 33 min
Busy weeks for both Hans and Evan meant we didn’t exactly come locked and loaded with a stacked episode this week. But you know who did come stacked for their online presentation this week? DC with their new film slate at their online “DC Fandome”…
053: Mental Health Pandemic with Scott Bradford
Aug 24 • 45 min
The CDC issued a new report that showed a marked increase in mental health issues and substance abuse. We talk to Medical Professional Scott Bradford about it. He believes this is a significant problem that is being underreported in the wake of the…
052: Time Away Takeaways, The Ripken Way, and Your Suggestions
Aug 17 • 36 min
Hans and Evan are back! A good hiatus isn’t worth much if you don’t talk about what you did and what you learned. That leads Hans to a discussion about coaching baseball THE RIPKEN WAY! And then we answer your burning questions you had for us the break…
051: Getting Lost, Disagreeing about Politics, and Coffee Dad Shuffle
Jul 13 • 39 min
What happens to your brain you get lost? Hint: nothing good. What happens to Christians when they disagree about politics? Hint: also nothing good—usually—but we should work to change that and Jonathan Leeman’s short booklet “How Can I Love Church…
050: Religious Recession, Alicia Keys Tiny Desk, and Keaton Batman
Jun 29 • 39 min
Episode half a hundred!Thanks for sticking with us this long. We didn’t even know this was our 50th episode (plus some random episodes).Where do we head with this one? To some of our favorite topics. What might COVID do for the church negatively? Have…
049: Empathy, Teaching Theology, and Bill and Ted
Jun 15 • 33 min
Evan is back and we are all happy about it! It was time to get back to the basics—a normal flow of a show. A recent article on empathy got us wondering how thinly you can slice words before they mean almost nothing. That convo reminded us of how…
048: Pastor and Plebe Takeover
Jun 8 • 42 min
Evan was out of commission for an evening, but Hans roped in his brother, Dale, to come join for the podcast. They previously had a podcast (Pastor and Plebe) that was more of a freeform podcast and gave it a run again for this episode. Guilty…
YNS After Hours: COVID-19 & Resuming Public Worship Services
May 28 • 46 min
Hans and Evan are joined by special guest, fellow pastor, and family member, Kevin Bowles, to discuss how each is trying to approach resuming public worship gatherings at their respective churches.
047: Youth Ministry Retrospective with Steve Corn
May 25 • 49 min
It isn’t every day that we get to have an episode with one of the biggest influences in both of our lives. Steve Corn entered into our lives when we were young (around 10) and has been there ever since. We talk youth ministry, career changing, family…
046: Cruise Blues, Investing Noobs, and Koresh’s Short Fuse
May 18 • 38 min
Some people cannot WAIT to get back to … whatever it was that they were doing before they had to stop doing it. In a recent article that was (drumroll): cruise lines. We spend some time discussing the idea of longing for the past. From there Hans…
045: Disciple-making and Lifelong Learning with Vick Green
May 11 • 41 min
With COVID-19 shutting down what seems to be all other news, it is a good time to expose the world to some of our friends. This week’s episode we interview Vick Green. We both served on staff with Vick and he has since moved on to focus heavily on…
044: Home Movies and Piper’s Take on Corona
Apr 27 • 33 min
Sometimes people say things and then have to immediately have to un-say those things. It isn’t uncommon—but when you are part of a multi-billion dollar enterprise, the stakes are a little higher. Warner Brothers said, “We are rethinking the movie…
043: Screen Time with Grace, Worthy Women, and Kids Fantasy Books
Apr 20 • 39 min
A recent Wired article talked about how to just shut off your screen time notifications so that you don’t feel guilty. Should this be what we do? How has staying at home changed our schedules and how we approach our days? Hans finished up a book…
042: On Passover (with Chris Katulka)
Apr 6 • 41 min
This week we brought in Hans’ old seminary friend Chris to help discuss Jesus, holy week, and Passover. Chris works for Friends of Israel and spends his days doing radio, writing for their ministry, and (when no virus) leading trips to Israel to better…
041: Ask the Expert(s)—Digital Eucharist with Dr. Michael Svigel & Dr. John Dyer
Mar 30 • 40 min
With so many churches live-streaming, the decision on communion comes to the forefront. On a whim, we asked Dr. Michael Svigel, department chair of theological studies at Dallas Seminary, if he’d come on to live stream an episode of our podcast. Dr….
040: The Coronasode (Live [to tape!])
Mar 23 • 34 min
In different times we do different things—like live stream the recording of the episode and leaving it for you to enjoy on a Monday (with minor edits). A week ago many churches were scrambling to figure out what to do and how to do it when they weren’t…
039: Coronavirus and the Christian, Revolutionary Prayer, and the New Batmobile
Mar 9 • 33 min
With COVID-19 in the states and cases growing each day, it was time to talk about how Christians (and churches) could approach it (or any) public health crisis. Evan takes some time after that to remind us of prayer—specifically the Lord’s Prayer—and…
038: Feedback on the Show, Surviving in Snow, and Pastors Need Bros
Mar 2 • 34 min
Happy eleven monthiversary!!! We go in opposite order this week as we need YOUR feedback on the show heading into a new year (you can also sponsor it if you’d like) (1:06). From there we ask ourselves what we’d do if we broke our leg miles away from…
037: Security or Spying, MLJ on Preaching, and JMMs New Album
Feb 24 • 37 min
In this episode, Hans and Evan talk about the merits of accessible home security tech—Hans isn’t a fan, Evan isn’t NOT a fan (02:05). Another book on preaching (Hans’ read this time—22:51) and a John Mark McMillan chaser bring you this episode of You…
036: Delivering for Dollars, Preaching Advice, and a Band of Brothers
Feb 17 • 35 min
What happens when you try and make a living shuttling food from place to place in your beater of a car? We take a Car and Driver article and discuss the merits (and detriments) of gig economy delivery jobs (02:49). Evan then changes gears (no pun…
035 (Hans Solo): A Tale of Two Churches, Three Kings, and a Grammy Family
Feb 10 • 28 min
With the Godbold clan down with the flu, Hans had to handle this episode by himself. What else was he supposed to talk about than Star Wars? Lots, actually. News came out amongst Chicagoland churches about their continued issues in transitioning (in…
034: Christian Withdrawal, Enjoying it All, and a Space Family AWOL
Feb 3 • 29 min
A Catholic group taking over St. Marys, Kansas leds us to discuss implications for the believer, Hans reviews Death by Living, and Evan reviews Lost in space.
033: Pastors, Power, and Picard
Jan 27 • 31 min
It isn’t a good look when a pastor tells a mother and her child to leave a church service mid-sermon, but it happened. This got Hans thinking about a book he had recently finished on pastors and power. Evan then fills us in on episode one of Picard.
YNS After Hours: Say it Ain’t ‘Stro
Jan 20 • 38 min
The Astros cheating scandal means Hans has to stop and process it all.
032: Paying Attention, The Death of Expertise, and Foster Kid Super Heroes
Jan 13 • 34 min
Mr. Rogers, Expertise, and Shazam! make up this first episode of 2020.
031: YNS Year in Review
Dec 30, 2019 • 32 min
Tune in as we discuss our favorite episode moment, best reads, best movies, biggest lessons, and more on this final 2019 episode of You Never Studied.
YNS After Hours: The Rise of Skywalker
Dec 23, 2019 • 46 min
All you need regarding the Rise of Skywalker.
Passing Notes: Time Management and the Christian
Dec 16, 2019 • 30 min
In this episode we address a listener question about how we should be spending our free time.
030: Frozen People, Frozen Chosen, Frozen Sequel
Dec 9, 2019 • 31 min
It’s a cold kind of episode as we discuss a new way to bury people, RC Sproul on what we can know about God, and Frozen 2 coming out.
029: Disney + Marriage = Mandalorians
Nov 25, 2019 • 34 min
This episode brought to you by nostalgia.
028: Ask the Expert with Dr. Bart Stykes
Nov 18, 2019 • 31 min
It isn’t that often that we get to chat with a sociologist—twice! After recording our first “Ask the Expert” with Bart Stykes (who is a member of Genesis with Hans) we decided to re-record so that you could get even more expert precision! We hear about…
027: (Re)Animated Performers, Thoughts from a Reformer, and Cinema’s Mourner
Nov 11, 2019 • 33 min
James Dean is back, along with Calvin and Cinema.
026: Removed Pastors, Reformed Families, and Recovering Terminators
Nov 4, 2019 • 33 min
James MacDonald is DQ’d from serving as a pastor at Harvest Bible Chapel ever again (not a surprise), family worship sometimes has a high bar, and the Terminator makes drapes.
025: Minority Rules & 13 Bar Blues
Oct 28, 2019 • 30 min
Political tweets and folk music make this episode one for… this week.
Passing Notes: Ministry Experience & Criticism
Oct 21, 2019 • 29 min
This week we tackle a topic that hits ministers often: critique.
024: Abbey Road Turns 50, Big Eva’s History, and Arthur Fleck’s Misery
Oct 14, 2019 • 33 min
Abbey Raod is 50, Evangelicals are crazy and so am I, and the Joker is … well.
023: Online Giving, Christian Finances, and $pider-Man
Oct 7, 2019 • 35 min
A money episode: church money, personal money, and movie money.
022: Cancel Culture, Christian Conscience, & Feige Star Wars
Sep 30, 2019 • 34 min
We start with how culture can’t consistently forgive, chase that with a talk on conscience, and finish up with new Star Wars talk.
021: Kanye Does Church, Science Destroys the Earth, and Rodman For Better or Worse
Sep 23, 2019 • 37 min
Kanye is taking on the church scene, AI is taking on the world, and Rodman is … Rodman.
Passing Notes: Thoughts on the Modal American
Sep 16, 2019 • 29 min
Listen in as we take concepts from NPR’s “Modal American” and apply them to the church.
020: Benny Hinn’s Remorse, The Hate U Give, and Fun VFX
Sep 9, 2019 • 38 min
This episode covers Benny Hinn (and how to respond to his recent statements), a novel on police shootings, and, finally, how movies are made.
019: Chicken Sandwich Wars, Church Books, and Andy Mineo
Sep 2, 2019 • 35 min
Chicken sandwiches, churches, and hip hop make this episode something you won’t want to miss.
YNS After Hours: Spider-Aww Man!
Aug 28, 2019 • 31 min
Evan gives Hans the details concerning last week’s bad news surrounding Disney/Marvel’s Partnership with Sony to use Spider-Man in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. In short—it is not looking great.
018: Rethinking Meritocracy, Bad Ecclesiology, and Gaffigan Comedy
Aug 26, 2019 • 30 min
In this episode we discuss the negative consequences of a merit-based world, a church version of the Screwtape letters, and, of course, Jim Gaffigan.
017: Publicly Leaving the Faith & The Apostles Creed
Aug 19, 2019 • 35 min
What can we learn about ministers who leave the faith, and how we look to history to help us with our perspective?
016: MoviePass’ Misrepresentations, Un-indoctrination Through Education, and Mysterious & Exotic Locations
Aug 12, 2019 • 35 min
This episode is what you get when you combine MoviePass’ bad business practices, a Mormon de-conversion, and a fun show about exploring.
YNS After Hours: How Firm A Foundation
Aug 5, 2019 • 22 min
Hans takes us through a brief journey on living in his house, fixing his house, not living in his house, fixing his house, and what he has learned through it.
015: Ask the Expert with Brad Munson
Jul 29, 2019 • 38 min
Come hear about two of your favorite things, Chick-fil-A and the StrengthsFinder assessment, as we ask our expert, Brad Munson about the best of both worlds so that you can become the best version of yourself.
014: Marriage Sanctimony, Holy Matrimony, and Stranger Things - Holy Moly!
Jul 22, 2019 • 32 min
A recent article in The Atlantic was questioning marriage. We chime in with what we thought was true from the article and also how the gospel gives a better response. We finish it up with a brief (and spoiler-free) chat on Stranger Things.
013: Trusting Each Other, Trusting the Gospels, and Trusting Spider-Man
Jul 15, 2019 • 37 min
A journey from the internet, to the church, the the Gospels, and Spider-Man—all in the name of trust.
Passing Notes: Glorifying God & Hobbies
Jul 8, 2019 • 23 min
This week we take another dive into the mailbag to answer another listener question: How far is too—with my hobbies?
012: The Flexible Worker, the Lifelong Learner, and the Backwards “MURDER”
Jul 1, 2019 • 33 min
When is being an expert no longer necessary, what does Ben Sasse have to say about it, and a sequel to a scary movie.
Passing Notes: What About Self Promotion?
Jun 24, 2019 • 30 min
We take a question from a listener to dive into the world of Christians and self promotion.
011: MiniDiscs in the Closet, Hey-Ya Habits, and A Difficult Watch
Jun 17, 2019 • 30 min
Dive into the world of Radiohead’s MiniDiscs and the pastoral application of their cool decision, stick around for talk about habits and music, and end with a brief chat on Chernobyl.
010: Platt’s Trump Situation, Church and State Separation, and Aladdin’s New Interpretation
Jun 10, 2019 • 32 min
What does a president’s visit to a church service teach us about how crazy evangelicals are, and what would Aladdin do about it?
009: 144,000 Steps, The First Lady Reflects, and Picard’s New Treks
Jun 3, 2019 • 31 min
New research says 10,000 steps might not be needed, Hans finished up the new Michelle Obama memoir, and Evan and Hans checked out the new Picard trailer.
008: Space Exploration, Retaining Information, and DMB Exceeds Expectations
May 28, 2019 • 33 min
In this episode we check in on the final frontier and our attempts to go there, a book on teaching better, and a review of the DMB concert.
007: Ask the Expert with Jeff Manna
May 20, 2019 • 27 min
In this episode, a meteorologist of almost thirty years—Jeff Manna—shares with us his love for weather AND 80s and 90s Christian rock.
006: Lonely Men, a Lofty God, and a Scary Clown
May 13, 2019 • 29 min
In this episode we discuss (1) whether or not men really are more lonely, (2) a new book on God’s attributes, and (3) the It Chapter 2 trailer.
005: Pastor Assessed, Poverty Addressed, and Twilight Zone Refreshed
May 6, 2019 • 30 min
Hans had his Acts 29 pastoral assessment conference and finished the book Maid on the way up while Evan finished episode one of the new Twilight Zone.
004: Extended Study Break—Avengers: Endgame
Apr 29, 2019 • 25 min
Listen to the reaction episode with this extended study break on Avengers Endgame.
YNS After Hours: Star Wars Crash Course
Apr 24, 2019 • 17 min
This is not the episode you want about all things Star Wars, but it is the episode you need.
003: Cool Kicks for Christ, Dating Advice, and the Skywalker’s Rise
Apr 22, 2019 • 29 min
From pastor fashion to dating advice to Star Wars movies—this episode has a little bit of everything.
002: Wade-ing Through Therapy, Lament, and Killing Bear Grylls
Apr 15, 2019 • 25 min
In this episode we delve into post-retirement therapy, suffering spouses, and choose your own Bear Grylls adventure.
001: Rabbits, Habits, and Villains in Purple Jackets
Apr 8, 2019 • 25 min
Come with us as we discuss Easter, a book Hans recently read about habit-making (and breaking), and Evan shares us with his take on the Joker trailer.
000: The Prologue
Apr 1, 2019 • 19 min
Welcome to the show! How’d we get the name? What are you in for? How is this thing gonna work? How familiar is Hans with the Marvel Cinematic Universe? All this is and more are coming to you in our zeroeth episode: The Prologue!