insideABODE is a podcast that gives you an unfiltered, honest, inside look at the Real Estate industry like you’ve never heard before. Windermere Abode is a boutique real estate brokerage located in Old Town Tacoma. We are changing—and elevating—real estate in this community. Windermere Abode intentionally maintains a small team of amazing agents, to focus time and energy focused on creating the best experience possible for buyers and sellers.

AbodeU: Life with a Work Wife - Kylee Hill & Shelley Heck Talk Work Wifing, Sumner & Lake Tapps
Feb 19 • 36 min
In real estate, it can be easy to isolate yourself and think everyone is in competition with each other. What happens when you do the opposite? Listen in to this week’s podcast as Kylee Hill and Shelley Heck talk about their unique working relationship as…
How’s the Market? February 2020 Update
Feb 17 • 4 min
This is a quick overview segment named ‘How’s the Market?’ where we provide a monthly update on numbers and trends we have seen in the market. If you want more information, you can read the blog post that coincides with this podcast; it includes graphs,…
AbodeU: Love & Real Estate: The Knicelys and Duggans on Working Together as Married Couples
Feb 14 • 37 min
Working together with your spouse provides a set of challenges and Are you thinking about working with your significant other or currently working with your significant other? This is a podcast you may enjoy checking out! Two-Thirds of The Knicely Group…
AbodeLife: Have you Prepared a Will Yet For Your Family Members? Stephanie Spiro Talks About Her ‘Wine and Wills’ Event to Prep You!
Feb 11 • 27 min
In this episode we learn about one part of an ‘adulting’ series broker Stephanie Spiro hosts at the Windermere Abode office. The sudden death of basketball international icon Kobe Bryant surprised a lot of people, and had the world reflecting more about…
AbodeLife: Family Ties - Jordan Cain Dishes on Nerd-dom, Life, and Working with Family
Feb 4 • 23 min
Who exactly is Jordan Cain? Anne Jones takes over as host on this podcast, as she interviews Abode broker Jordan Cain, who dishes on what it’s like to work with family, and how he has ramped up his business after starting from scratch. Find Jordan Cain…
AbodeU: Building A Community From Scratch - Heidi Hurst Team Talks About How To Build Community
Jan 30 • 37 min
Heidi Hurst and Tim McKeown of the Heidi Hurst Team sit down with Dave to talk about building a community and how that has turned into a healthy business. These two know a thing or two about transition; Heidi got into the industry after a divorce, and…
AbodeU: The 2020 Market - The Lane/Duskin Team Pull Out Their Crystal Ball
Jan 21 • 31 min
As we enter 2020, there are a lot of factors that could impact the market, thus impact mortgages rates, housing equity, and jobs. George Lane returns with his teammate, Chris Duskin (of Guild Mortgage) to talk about what they see moving forward into 2020.…
AbodeU: What Are the New Trends in Design and Construction for 2020? Allison O’Hagan Shares
Jan 15 • 37 min
Welcome to the 2nd season of the insideABODE podcast! We have a ton of great content coming your way this year. Ready to hear what 2020 has to bring in terms of design and construction trends? Windermere Abode broker Allison O’Hagan is here to shed light…
AbodeLife: Looking Forward to 2020 with Anne and Dave
Jan 7 • 24 min
Happy New Year! We’re back from our end of year break to bring you more insideABODE podcasts… thank you for tuning in, and your comments on the show… In this episode, Anne and Dave sit down to reflect on the favorite parts of 2019, and what they are…
AbodeLife: A Sit Down with Anne and Dave Jones on Leadership
Dec 17, 2019 • 49 min
Shelley Heck keeps up with the Joneses, Anne and Dave, in this episode to ask them questions regarding leadership… the conversation ends up diving into all other aspects of life in this candid interview. Can you believe this is Anne Jones’ first time on…
AbodeLife: Where are the Women of Color in STEM? - a Sit Down with Janet Phan, Founder of Thriving Elements
Dec 10, 2019 • 36 min
Janet Phan is not one to sit still… upon entering the world of STEM, she quickly realized she was one of very few in the circles she worked in. Instead of simply navigating the field, she decided to do something about it and create opportunities for more…
AbodeU: Authentic Community Engagement with Melo Hogan
Dec 4, 2019 • 21 min
How can you become involved with your community without a ton of awkward exchanges? Melo Hogan has the secret, as she give context to her experience while moving to Washington. During that move, she did not know of many people, but she found a way to get…
AbodeLife: Realities of Owning a Small Business in Tacoma… Inside the Mind of Nick Casanova
Nov 29, 2019 • 36 min
Are you looking to start a small business? Nick Casanova joins us again for a vulnerable, candid conversation on small business ownership, and the pros and cons of venturing out on your own. As co-owner of the popular vintage store Urban Exchange in…
AbodeU: Should You Move from Seattle to Tacoma? Nick Casanova Weighs In
Nov 26, 2019 • 11 min
Are you considering moving from Seattle to Tacoma? Why or why not? Nick Casanova lends us his perspective on moving from Seattle to Tacoma, and gives his main reasons why people should consider doing so. Would you like to hear more? Subscribe to the…
AbodeU: “I Went from Redfin to Windermere Abode” - Why Kelee Kjack Made the Change
Nov 19, 2019 • 26 min
Kelee Kjack joined Windermere Abode after her time as a showing agent for Redfin. Given the difference between the two business models, Dave sits down with Kelee to talk about what the differences between her past experience and current experience, and…
AbodeU: A Viable Option to Living in King County is… Kitsap County?
Nov 12, 2019 • 25 min
Have you ever thought about living in Kitsap County? Take a listen to Ian Broadie explain why he feels Kitsap County can be a viable option for someone looking to purchase a home in King County. We also get hip to a best keep secret out on the Peninsula,…
AbodeU: A Pierce County Luxury Market Exists? Sloan Hunter Breaks It Down
Nov 5, 2019 • 12 min
Pierce County may not be known to outsiders for it’s luxury market, but a luxury market does exist! Premier Director Sloan Hunter sits down to talk about what a ‘Premier Listing’ is to the average consumer, as well as numbers on the luxury market that may…
AbodeU: ‘What is Included in Closing Costs?’ with Jordan Cain
Oct 31, 2019 • 14 min
Are you still unfamiliar with what is included in closing costs? We sit down with Abode broker Jordan Cain to talk about what is included in closing costs, how closing costs get paid, and other questions buyers and sellers may have regarding closing…
AbodeLife: Life After Cancer - Nate Henley Explains the Story Behind the Rachel Lynn Henley Foundation
Oct 22, 2019 • 44 min
Listen to the story of the Henley family, who lost their daughter/sister Rachel Lynn to synovial sarcoma; a malignant tumor that began in her shoulder and over time made i’s way to the lining in her lungs. This isn’t a story about grief, however, it’s a…
AbodeU: Winning Multiple Offer Situations with Ryan Knicely
Oct 15, 2019 • 33 min
What happens when you want the same house as say… 5 other people and you all submit an offer? Ryan Knicely walks us through what he considers the best tips for any broker, or buyer when in this situation. Want to learn more? Follow Ryan Knicely and The…
AbodeU: Help! Getting Started In Real Estate as a College Graduate - Reid Grimm
Oct 8, 2019 • 15 min
What would you tell a college graduate fresh out of college and entering real estate? Reid Grimm has answers… because he’s living it! Reid opens up in this candid conversation about his relationship with Ryan Knicely, his ability to grow a beard, and most…
AbodeU: New NWMLS Rule Change… Talking Selling Office Commissions (SOC) with Stephanie Spiro and Sloan Hunter
Oct 3, 2019 • 28 min
Effective October 1st, the Northwest Multiple Listing Service made some rule changes regarding the selling office commission (SOC). The first rule allows real estate firms and brokers to publish the offer of compensation to the buyer’s broker on the…
AbodeLife: “My Experience at a Historically Black College… as a White Woman”
Oct 2, 2019 • 34 min
Tacoma native Katie Hunter is a graduate of the University of Washington, but spent time at Jackson, an HBCU (Historically Black Colleges & Universities). In this episode we cover her experience, and how it has shaped her moving forward in life as a young…
AbodeLife: Quincy Henry aka ‘QDot’ on Starting a Coffee Business in Tacoma, and His Home Selling Experience
Sep 24, 2019 • 37 min
Quincy Henry in his past career/life was widely known as ‘QDot,’ an grammy nominated artist and youngest of five siblings. Listen to Quincy’s story as he talks about his process starting up his soon-to-be-open coffee shop, Campfire Coffee. In the 2nd half…
AbodeU: Home Inspection Tips With Michael Duggan
Sep 18, 2019 • 39 min
So you have found the house you love, submitted an offer, had your offer accepted, and now you’re under contract. Congratulations! Now the fun begins… Next up you are going to hire a home inspector to inspect the house to make sure you know the condition…
AbodeU: 4th quarter 2019 Market Update with George Lane (Guild Mortgage)
Sep 10, 2019 • 36 min
Want a breakdown of the market as a whole? Dave sits down with George Lane, from the Guild Mortgage Duskin and Lane team, to break down all facets of the current market, and how that impacts buyers and sellers of homes. The GDP, interest rates, stocks and…
AbodeLife: Introverts in Real Estate Unite! Michael Duggan on Being an Introvert in Real Estate
Sep 4, 2019 • 15 min
Abode broker Michael Duggan talks about his past and how he went through life as an introvert happening to land in extroverted spaces. Duggan covers his high school ASB experience, playing in front of crowds of thousands, and how he leverages those…
AbodeU: The Top 5 Reasons to Use a Real Estate Agent with Ryan Knicely
Aug 26, 2019 • 28 min
Are you getting ready to either buy or sell a property, but trying to decide whether you’re using an agent or not? Ryan Knicely breaks down the top 5 reasons why you want to use a real estate agent. This is a great discussion for those who have questions…
AbodeLife: Pregnancy, Work and Life Hacks - Jessica Knicely Shares Her Tips
Aug 20, 2019 • 18 min
Jessica Knicely is due in early September, and we’re lucky to share her experience! If you are in your first trimester, second trimester or even your third trimester, Jessica also shares some life hacks her and Ryan have implemented to help them with the…
AbodeU: Jessica Knicely Shares Her Secrets to Investing and Becoming an AirBnB Superhost
Aug 13, 2019 • 25 min
Are you looking at potentially dabbling in the AirBnB space? Or are you just interested in how AirBnB works? Abode broker and AirBnB Superhost Jessica Knicely tells us everything she knows about getting started in the business. Check out the AirBnB home…
AbodeLife: ‘I Lost 5 Months Of My Life’ - Tacoma Native Katie Hunter’s Fierce Recovery from Brain Trauma
Aug 6, 2019 • 41 min
Tacoma native Katie Hunter discusses her recovery from a near-fatal car accident to now owning her own hair dressing business. Katie also has other physical conditions she has to tend to, making her recovery even more impressive. Take a listen to this…
AbodeU: Offer Accepted! What’s Earnest Money? Kaitlyn Marty Explains
Jul 31, 2019 • 23 min
Congratulations! Your offer has been accepted and now you need to turn in the earnest money you and the seller agreed upon. What is earnest money you ask? Kaitlyn Marty is here to explain. Find Kaitlyn Marty online: Instagram: @kaitlynmarty Facebook:…
AbodeLife: Young, Black, and in Real Estate - Prince Alexander Shares His Experience
Jul 23, 2019 • 26 min
Dave Jones sits down with Abode broker Prince Alexander to talk about his experience entering into the field of real estate as a young black man. They talk about a wide range of topics; from the bias and awareness that comes with performing simple…
AbodeU: Got Insurance? A Quick Primer on Insurance with Lily Bhatia
Jul 17, 2019 • 10 min
In this episode, Dave sits down with Lily Bhatia, Marketing Representative for Moreland Insurance. Lily breaks down what insurance is, and also gives advice on what you should look for on an ongoing basis when it comes to ensuring you are insured. If you…
AbodeLife: Being Gay in Tacoma - An Honest Discussion with Tacoma Native Marshall Samuela
Jul 11, 2019 • 22 min
2019 Tacoma PRIDE month runs July 9th through the 20th with many events taking place in downtown Tacoma… to celebrate this year we wanted to make sure we lent our pod to members in our LBGTQ community so we can further educate ourselves and our audience.…
AbodeU: Selling Your House in the 2nd Half of the Year? Sloan Hunter Lends Her Expertise
Jul 9, 2019 • 18 min
If you’re one of many homeowners looking to sell your home in the 2nd half of the year, this is sit down with Sloan Hunter is a great place to start. Listen in as we cover the intricacies of timing, condition, location, the local market and other…
AbodeLife: The Warped Tour to Real Estate - Pearl Nelson’s Journey to Real Estate
Jul 5, 2019 • 22 min
In this episode of insideAbode, Dave sits down with Pearl Nelson. Pearl shares his history before real estate, in the Seattle coffee industry as well as his role in the hiphop/punk group Champagne Champagne. Since that time, he shifted gears into the…
AbodeU: Top Tips on Buying a New Construction Home with Prince Alexander
Jul 2, 2019 • 12 min
Are you hunting for a new construction home? Abode broker Prince Alexander could save you some time in the next 15 minutes. Dave and Prince sit down to talk about how to approach purchasing a new construction home! Follow Prince Alexander online at:…
AbodeLife: Exploring PRIDE Month with Team Diva Real Estate + Taylor Swift Hot Takes?
Jun 25, 2019 • 30 min
Looking to be entertained? This episode features special guests Team Diva, a top producing real estate team in Seattle, breaking down what PRIDE month means. In this half hour a multitude of topics are touched on, from the history of PRIDE, to how it…
AbodeU: The Other Side of Tacoma Affordability - Jenny Wetzel Weighs In
Jun 18, 2019 • 17 min
Is Tacoma really unaffordable? Recently, Redfin published an article citing Tacoma as the ‘Nations Hottest Market’ this Spring based on median days on the market, and the percentage of homes selling over list price. Dave and Abode realtor Jenny Wetzel sit…
AbodeLife: “I Worked For President Obama” - Devin Hampton’s Crazy Journey into Politics and Energy
Jun 12, 2019 • 36 min
Want to hear a crazy story? Spend the next half hour listening to Devin Hampton’s story; from dropping out of the University of Washington, to being laid off at Alaska Airlines, and finding his way to working for the Obama campaign, which led to leading a…
AbodeU: First Time Home Buyer? Kaitlyn Marty Provides Tips You Must Know
Jun 4, 2019 • 20 min
Are you looking to buy a home soon? Will this be the first time you will purchase a home? On this podcast, Abode broker Kaitlyn Marty provides what you need to know before you begin looking! *Skip to the 17-minute mark for the Top 3 Tips from Kaitlyn!*…
AbodeU: How to Live for FREE?! ‘House Hacking’ with Ian Broadie
May 27, 2019 • 22 min
In this episode, Ian Broadie explains his mindset around ‘living for free,’ or ‘House Hacking.’ The most important question however is, is he a Husky or a Cougar? The answer is near the end (to not turn off any listeners early LOL). This is a great…
AbodeLife: Puyallup to LA - Music Producer Phinisey on Taking Risks, Mindset, and meeting Pharrell
May 20, 2019 • 24 min
In this episode, listen in as Dave caught up with music producer/song writer Phinisey at the Alma Mater recording studio. Phinisey talks about the risk in his family’s move to Los Angeles, the mindset needed to make it as an entrepreneur, and his…
AbodeU: Buyers Tips in Today’s Market + ALL Things Tacoma with Melo Hogan
May 13, 2019 • 20 min
On this episode, we cover it all with Melo Hogan! From her transition to the United States from the Philippines, her love for the Eastside of Tacoma and tips for buyers looking to buy a home in today’s market! Learn more and follow Melo Hogan: Instagram:…
AbodeU: Are Millennials Buying Homes? Reid Grimm Shares Generational Trends Stats
May 6, 2019 • 18 min
In this episode, Abode broker Reid Grimm sits down with Dave to break down some interesting stats regarding Millennials and home buying from the NAR 2019 Generational Trends Report. Also, Dave and Reid talk about what age ranges even constitute a…
AbodeU: Affordable Housing option in Tacoma? Sloan Hunter Sits Down with DADU Homes
May 1, 2019 • 22 min
With regulatory changes regarding Accessory Dwelling Units (ADU) and Detached Accessory Dwelling Units (DADU) taking effect May 1st, Tacoma has taken a step toward addressing what used to be a deterrent for those who wanted to add an additional living…
AbodeLife: Shelley Heck Meets Her Sister for the First Time
Apr 26, 2019 • 14 min
What would you do if you had an adult sibling you did not even know existed? Abode broker Shelley Heck tells the story with her sister Callie Holcomb, founder and owner/operator of Holcomb Weddings and Events. Follow Shelley Heck: IG -…
AbodeLife: Fitness Prep for Summer? Derrik Shockman gives insight on his fitness mindset
Apr 24, 2019 • 10 min
Do you have challenges getting motivated to workout? Join the club… In this episode Dave Jones sits down with Abode broker Derrik Shockman to get the low down on how he maintains his fitness routine. —- Send in a voice message:…
AbodeU: What is a VA Loan? Vet Ryan Knicely explains
Apr 19, 2019 • 9 min
What is a VA Loan? How does it work? Ryan Knicely sits down with Dave Jones on this episode to break down what someone can expect from dealing with a VA Loan. —- Send in a voice message:
AbodeU: Anne Jones taps the local realtor association
Apr 4, 2019 • 41 min
For realtors in Pierce County, this is a MUST listen! In this candid roundtable discussion, Anne Jones (@tacomajones) leads as Abode welcomes Kaaren Winkler (Executive Officer, TPCAR) and Taylor Shanaman (Director of Government Affairs) from the Tacoma…
AbodeU: From Rock Band to Realtor - Michael Duggan on Jumping into Real Estate
Mar 22, 2019 • 10 min
Thinking about jumping into real estate? Jumping head first into real estate can be daunting and scary… listen to broker Michael Duggan tell his story of his transition from a rock band to realtor! Find out more information about Michael Duggan at…
AbodeU: How are you Building a Brand? Derrik Shockman tells all
Mar 5, 2019 • 11 min
Derrik Shockman joins insideABODE to talk about building your brand in the real estate space utilizing video, along with his favorite social media platform, Instagram! Derrik shares some of his thoughts on the platform, and how he has utilized a branding…
AbodeLife: Ryan Knicely talks Race, Virginia and Ken Griffey Jr.
Mar 5, 2019 • 15 min
Ryan Knicely sits down with Dave to talk about where he’s from (Virginia), and briefly unpack his thoughts on race after reading the book “The Color of Compromise.” He also shares his love for Mariners baseball and gives his prediction for the 2019…
AbodeU: Deeper Dive into Fair Housing with Tina McLeod
Mar 4, 2019 • 13 min
Tina McLeod explains what Fair Housing Laws mean to her and shares about her experience as an investigator for two different government agencies. Dave and Tina also dive into the context of Fircrest and how it’s been impacted by similar laws. —- Send in a…
AbodeU: Nancy Chapin on Building a Long Term Business as Your Authentic Self
Feb 28, 2019 • 12 min
In this episode we sit down with Windermere Seattle-Mt Baker broker, Nancy Chapin, to talk about how she has utilized video to build her business as her authentic self. You can find Nancy at her website, —- Send in a voice…
AbodeLife: Work/Life balance? Stephanie Spiro opens up about marriage, kids, and houses
Feb 23, 2019 • 18 min
Stephanie Spiro talks about juggling family life and realtor life while raising four children. —- Send in a voice message:
AbodeU: Stephanie Spiro on staging
Feb 23, 2019 • 14 min
Should you stage your home when selling it? Stephanie Spiro opens up about staging, and her philosophy when explaining the importance to sellers. —- Send in a voice message:
AbodeU: What’s Dual Agency? Sloan Hunter explains
Feb 20, 2019 • 14 min
Dual Agency can be tricky… Sloan Hunter explains dual agency and how it can impact a transaction. —- Send in a voice message:
AbodeU: CMAs, good agent karma & Concerts with Shelley Heck
Feb 20, 2019 • 7 min
Shelley Heck explains her process for a CMA and shares a story about a super agent she had a cross sale with. We also learn the best concert she’s ever been to… —- Send in a voice message:
AbodeU: Earthquake Insurance? Ian Broadie explains his experience
Feb 20, 2019 • 6 min
Should you spring for earthquake insurance? Ian Broadie shares insight on the matter. —- Send in a voice message: