Deconversion Therapy

Deconversion Therapy
The humorous podcast about religion.

Toronto #Blessing
Jul 7 • 53 min
Karen tells Bonnie about the great, laughing movement that happened near a Toronto airport. Writhing. Rolling. We can thank the certifiable, dangerous Rodney Howard-Browne for starting what can only be labeled as a Christian niche market that makes sane…
Jesus 2.0
Jul 1 • 60 min
Jehovah’s Witnessing with the Stars
Jun 23 • 52 min
Want Bonnie and Karen to give you an unexceptional, verrry incomplete run-down of the Jehovah’s Witness religion, but with lots of celebrities? We heard your secret whispers and will grant it. If not, “Beat It.” Oh, we are killllling it. Don’t forget to…
Yay, a Lettersode!
Jun 17 • 22 min
Sorry for the delay. We were being tested, but we came out triumphant. Now, time to hear about condoms and ouija boards. Send in YOUR stories:
THESE Shitpiles!
Jun 9 • 57 min
How do we keep up with the hellishness of the last week? We push our other recorded episodes down the pike and record fresh because there’s JUST. SO. MUCH. Don’t forget to send your funny, true stories to us OR racist crap you learned in church.…
Black Lives Matter
Jun 2 • 5 min
We’re not posting our usual this week. Please listen to our 5-minute message.
Church Bulletin: Gigolos, Liars, and Water Guns
May 26 • 40 min
Church may have stopped, but crazy church news never does. Find out some of the weirdest church crap out there, along with a cute one. Don’t forget to send in your funny stories to us at
Get in a Parade and Other Ways to Witness
May 19 • 49 min
Bonnie got upset over the degrading witnessing she received while getting her Covid test. Workplace witnessing is this week’s topic. Does it happen where you work? Have you done it? One of our listeners gets the harddd sell from her boss. Plus, we find a…
The Two Sides of Culty Gloriavale
May 12 • 60 min
This week we hit up the land of sheep, New Zealand, where there’s a tucked away cult. Karen watched the 3-part series about Gloriavale on Netflix and was enthralled. Of course, Bonnie lets her know it was a tadddd biased. Come along with us as we marry…
Jews for Jesus and “Unorthodox”
May 5 • 56 min
Jews for Jesus. Bonnie and Karen spat over their right to exist. As someone of 1% Jewish DNA, Karen explains the Jewish faith, especially Hasidic Jews for which she watched many YouTube videos. They both loved the Netflix series Unorthodox, and now know…
A Royal Lettersode
Apr 28 • 43 min
Karen had to edit down all of Bonnie’s laughing in this one. You all are great. This episode of listener letters covers another tale of demons at summer camp, blessings from over the pond, and sexy soda. Keep these coming. We can’t get enough.…
Q and A Part 2: The Ramblings
Apr 22 • 50 min
Thanks again for all your questions. Maybe we’ll make this an annual thing, if we’re all here next year. On this episode we answer what our favorite and least favorite church songs were, what the church got wrong about sex, what crazy things that church…
Q and A Part 1: The Good Years
Apr 15 • 44 min
We sent out a call for listeners to ask Bonnie and Karen questions. On this episode, Bonnie goes into her deconversion, plus they both discuss how and when they “came out” to people about their beliefs, as well as if religion is needed in the world.
Easter is Closed. And So Is Hobby Lobby.
Apr 7 • 53 min
Crazzzy times. Hope all our listeners are doing well as we head into an Easter of empty pews. Who’d of thought? This week Bonnie starts yet another segment. This one is called “People Who Can Suck It.” We come in with a little Easter info and memories,…
Lettersode 729
Mar 31 • 36 min
Bonnie comes at you from an empty ballroom, or so the echo makes it seem. But we’re back with your favorite—you. Letters from you, the listener, embarrassing yourselves for us. There’s a lot of miracles and whores in this one, so listen close. Don’t…
Bethel Church’s Biggest Hits
Mar 24 • 41 min
We get weekly requests to cover Bethel Church in Redding, CA. You probably know it by the story months ago of a toddler who died and the church believed she would be resurrected although days kept passing. Or perhaps it was from their outspokenness about…
Coronavirus and the Religious Whackery
Mar 17 • 39 min
We must join the professionals like us and discuss the COVID-19. Of course, our profession is religious whack-a-doodles, so that’s what we’re gonna do. Here’s some of the crap religious leaders are hawking. Seems it’s not a good time for Bonnie to have…
Lettersode 9
Mar 11 • 45 min
Bonnie and Karen are punchy this week. And let us add, we recorded this BEFORE we were derided about how to pronounce “chakras,” so chove it. In this Lettersode, Amanda moves from Japan to land in Louisiana where she went to a Vacation Bible School that’s…
Conspiracy Therapy Part 2, Flat Earth Boogaloo
Mar 4 • 48 min
Karen and Bonnie take you on a journey through the Flat Earth movie Behind the Curve. Bonnie gives a shout-out to the podcast Trashy Divorces. Then we go off the side of the earth’s ridge to understand why people believe the earth is flat.
We Interrupt This Program
Feb 25 • 36 min
We really do. That Flat Earth Conspiracy Part 2—we’re gonna nee to get back to you on that one. But, no fear, there’s plenty of shit going down in the world of religion. We bring you the ding-battiest. But before we get into it, Bonnie wants to tell you…
Conspiracy Therapy: Flat Earth and all them others, Part 1
Feb 18 • 47 min
You can now support us on Patreon. More perks are being rolled out. In Part 1, we look into the Flat Earth conspiracy. Bonnie loses her shit that Karen didn’t realize Princess Diana was killed by the royal family.We discuss Harvey Weinstein, Ronan Farrow,…
Lettersode Lettersode
Feb 11 • 43 min
Do we have a theme song for our Lettersodes? You be the judge. Thanks to everyone who has supported us on Patreon. We have a special Q and A video up in there for our supporters. This month on our Lettersode, we have the trendiest priest around, Father…
You’re Going to Carman!
Feb 5 • 64 min
We’re back! And who better to kick off the year than with the slickest performer of all–Carman? Rock, Jazz, Funk, or starring in his own films, he does it all. Even medical anesthesia is no match for him! We’ve missed you. Or was that just another one of…
Benny Hinn and Toe Tattoos
Jan 29 • 70 min
We’re back with our last retro replay. There’s cheeto and toe tattoos, then on with the show. If you like the show, you can support us at Karen and Bonnie go through the lives and miracle healing powers of Kathrine…
Dry Karen and The Graceful Atheist
Jan 21 • 80 min
We’re playing The Graceful Atheist podcast on the show today. A few months ago, David interviewed Karen. His podcast questions are smart and thought-provoking. We hope you enjoy it! You can find some great interviews at…
Saints and Ballers
Jan 15 • 67 min
We’re not just playing old episodes this January, we’re putting whole new intros on the front. 20 plus minutes of gobbeldy gook. This week we discuss Bonnie’s birthday, Karen’s present to her, and that you can’t dress up cats. Then we break out an old…
Kanye and Bonnie Don’t Stop
Jan 8 • 69 min
We’ve launched our Patreon so listeners can support this new year of our podcast. Go to to see our levels of support. The price of a Pumpkin Spice Latte a month would help so much, and we offer the same amount of sugar…
Happy New Year! Opening the Vault
Jan 1 • 40 min
We’re taking some time to improve the show and replaying some of our favorite episodes. Please SPONSOR us on Patreon. Thank you! We RIFF on some memories of urine and being snipers before we let you loose on an episode we released on Christmas Eve of…
Dec 24, 2019 • 49 min
It’s here. Our gift to you is us waffling on about random things that are loosely connected to the largest holiday in the world. We give a shout-out to Josh Harris and Dave Warnock. There’s some talk of Bethel church, statues that poop, and we even delve…
Pastafarianism, The Flying Spaghetti Monster
Dec 18, 2019 • 40 min
We carb-load up on Pastafarianism, a religion Karen is signing up for but Bonnie can’t handle the puns. Karen had seen images with people wearing colanders on their heads, even some paintings reimagined with God being replaced by the Flying Spaghetti…
Lettersode 6: Satan, Tongues, and God’s Little Extra
Dec 11, 2019 • 43 min
We can’t get enough of these letters. This wad of them does not disappoint. What’s better than having a famous Satanist next door? Perhaps running away from a demon at summer camp? We tie up the episode with a great, little, letter about an acting extra…
Hollywood Gods
Dec 4, 2019 • 55 min
If I was a pastor, I think I’d feel called to have a tax-exempt house in Hollywood myself. This week, Karen and Bonnie agree to disagree about Churchome in California. It sounds like a decent community to one, it sounds like the same ol’ story to the…
Thanksgiving Survival Guide
Nov 26, 2019 • 53 min
Bonnie and Karen shepherd you through the religious obstacles of Thanksgiving dinner. We throw in a history lesson, sprinkle it with some rat urine, and then send you into the lion’s den. Good luck, Champ.
Noah’s Ark Nemesis: Logic
Nov 20, 2019 • 42 min
How did this story of violent death and floating babies turn into the cutest story in the Bible, with cute toys being given to children at Christmas? Bonne and Karen tackle the issues that float to the top with this fantastical story they both thought was…
Pew News: Kanye, Paula White, John Crist
Nov 12, 2019 • 48 min
Kanye’s back with more of his Christian humility and putting others first. We’ve got Paula White receiving an official White House position. And it all wraps up with the bombshell accusations about sexual misconduct of comedian John Crist. Never a week…
Lettersode 5: Everything’s Downright Inappropriate
Nov 6, 2019 • 27 min
Have you NOT subscribed? Really? Tapping that button is just too much of a strain on the digits? Come on, help a poddy mouth out. This month’s Lettersode went sidewayyyyys. It wasn’t the letter writers’ fault. We recorded in the morning and were much more…
Happy JesusWeen
Oct 30, 2019 • 39 min
No, we did not make that word up. But sadly, someone else did. This week Karen and Bonnie share their memories of Halloweens past, when the church hadn’t upped the ante on hijacking it for Fall Festivals and Hallelujah Nights. Or JesusWeens, a concept…
Leaving Westboro Baptist
Oct 23, 2019 • 53 min
Bonnie and Karen were ready to skewer everything and everyone connected to hateful Westboro Baptist, with their God Hates Fags picket lines. But then they read Unfollow by Megan Phelps-Roper who left the church (her entire family) and has now come out…
MLMs: Moms Losing Money
Oct 16, 2019 • 55 min
It’s just a little fun on the side. Sell some oils or woven baskets, make some pocket money. Of course, that’s not how it ends up at all. Multi-Level marketing companies are mainly Christian/Mormon run—Mary Kay, DoTerra Oils, Pampered Chef, Advocare, and…
Lettersode 4: Witchcraft, Lemonade, Cannabis, and Cosplay
Oct 9, 2019 • 42 min
Listener letter time. Weird, quirky, and hilarious. Bonnie and Karen read from their virtual stack. If you’ve been holding onto a humorous story to do with religion or church, send it in HERE.
Kanye West and His Sunday Service Spiral
Oct 1, 2019 • 51 min
Karen and Bonnie discuss Kanye West’s Sunday Services going on around the country. Find us on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook Page And please SUBSCRIBE. Thank you. We Have a SHOP. Check it out and help support our podcast. Karen and Bonnie begin by…
Baby, Baby: Quiver-full (of Crap)
Sep 25, 2019 • 72 min
The Quiverfull Movement is all about letting God give you as many babies as possible to build up the Army of God. Think, the Duggars. We want to make 2 things clear at the get-go: Having a lot of kids is not bad, no matter how much we laugh at it. All big…
The Righteous Gemstones is Funny as Hell
Sep 18, 2019 • 44 min
Danny McBride, Adam Devine, Edi Patterson, John Goodman, and a guy playing a keytar. The Righteous Gemstones is heaven. This week we discuss the HBO show and how familiar Bonnie and Karen are with the Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker-type family that drives…
This Week on “As The Church Crumbles”
Sep 11, 2019 • 52 min
Joshua Harris, Marty Sampson, and Mckrae Game. They’ve done some thinking and the church is not happy about it. We say “welcome to the beginning of feeling okay about looking for answers.” Y’all ballers. Joshua Harris renounced Christianity close to the…
Lettersode 3: History According to Sh*tpiles
Sep 4, 2019 • 44 min
A full episode of kooky letters. We’ve got ones from Fredzo, Racheal, David, and Bethany. Plus, a surprise one up top. When you’re deep into the church, or being homeschooled, you learn a lot of things too important for your basic historians. They’re…
Mo’ Members, Mo’ Scandals: Willow Creek
Aug 28, 2019 • 48 min
Once you build a 73 million dollar sanctuary, what could go wrong? Willow Creek church in Chicago was the first mainstream mega-church.From keytars and dry ice machines in the 80s to megatrons and coffee shops now, Willow Creek has been rocked by a…wait…
Who’s Gonna Be in Heaven? David Berkowitz, Son of Sam
Aug 21, 2019 • 50 min
Son of Sam, David Berkowitz, is now the self-proclaimed Son of Hope. Karen tries to get David to come to the studio, but he’s too shy. And imprisoned. We should have gotten the actor who portrays him on Mindhunter on Netflix. He’s amazing! Bonnie joins…
Lettersode 2: Divorces, Hair, and Mormons
Aug 14, 2019 • 36 min
Letters and letters! Thanks for writing in. You can send us yours via our website Our first one is from Heather, a kick-ass deconvert who’s been through it. She’s still healing from losing sword drills. Then she tells…
The Family Part 1: It’s about Power, Not Love
Aug 7, 2019 • 47 min
Karen and Bonnie discuss the book, and soon-to be-released Netflix documentary “The Family: An enigmatic conservative Christian group known as the Family wields enormous influence in Washington, D.C., in pursuit of its global ambitions.” The secret group…
It’s a Team! With Power!
Jul 31, 2019 • 44 min
That’s right, it’s time for your favorite group of pumped guys who’ve been traveling from church to church for over 40 years doing feats of strength, The Power Team! Bonnie missed the huge event at church where they came and blew. us. tweens. away. The…
Faith Healers Benny Hinn and Katherine Kuhlman
Jul 24, 2019 • 55 min
Karen and Bonnie go through the lives and miracle healing powers of Kathrine Kuhlman and Benny Hill, no, Hinn. Are people really getting cured of cancer and broken backs and whatnot and various sundries? Why are all the people falling backwards when they…
The Cult that Poisoned an Oregon Town
Jul 17, 2019 • 57 min
Bonnie and Karen talk about the sex cult called the Rajneesh this week. If you haven’t watched the Netflix documentary Wild Wild Country, Bonnie goes over it while trying to capture the insanity. Bagwan Shree Rajneesh, the guru, gathers up well-educated…
Lettersode: Listener Letters about Hot Evangelists, The Rapture, and Dancing
Jul 10, 2019 • 22 min
It’s a short, summery episode of listeners’ letters! We’ve got Michelle telling about an insanely long revival that includes a hot evangelist and modesty blankets. Justin writes in about being THAT 13-year-old Christian kid who thinks they’ve cracked the…
1st Annual Kook-Off: Jim Bakker vs Pat Robertson
Jul 2, 2019 • 65 min
Please Subscribe, rate, and review. We’d appreciate it. Who’s kookier, or old cootier, Jim Bakker or Pat Robertson. We make them go head-to-head on this episode. We’ll post polls on our social media things so you can vote. The winner will get nothing but…
Jerry Falwell Jr., Michael Cohen, Tom Arnold and Some Pictures
Jun 25, 2019 • 51 min
Please Subscribe, rate, and review. We’d appreciate it. Bonnie fills Karen in on Jerry Falwell Jr., and the news that something is afoot in his world. The players are a pool boy, Jerry, Jerry’s wife, Michael Cohen and his plaid jacket, and Tom Arnold. Of…
Shoving Gays Down Preachers’ Throats
Jun 19, 2019 • 58 min
We are back! Please help us out by subscribing, rating, and reviewing us. In fact, although we don’t think we put out anything worthy, we’re asking you to share this episode because these preachers asking for LGBT people to be killed need eyes on them. By…
The Love Family Cult
May 29, 2019 • 62 min
Bonnie and Karen discuss the Love Family cult, also known as The Church of Jesus Christ at Armageddon. They have first names like Logic and Submission and Smooth—what’s not to love? And although they went a bit off the rails, the concept is pretty…
Alabama Abortion, Mel Brooks, and Musket F*ckers
May 22, 2019 • 42 min
Can Bonnie and Karen find something funny about the Abortion ban that just passed in Alabama? We’re gonna try! Bonnie found some great articles from satire at The Reductress to Noam Chomsky’s great video of why the Southern states and evangelicals grabbed…
Franklin Graham, Pete Buttigieg, and Irish Lips
May 15, 2019 • 50 min
This week, Karen and Bonnie poke at Franklin Graham, one of the most misrable-seeming men to be filled with the joy of salvation. Graham tweeted a happy birthday to Melania Trump, calling her the classiest first lady AMERICA HAS EVER HAD. Eat it, Mary…
Remembering the Humor of Rachel Held Evans
May 9, 2019 • 39 min
This week Karen and Bonnie do something a little different by honoring exvangelical author and thinker Rachel Held Evans who passed away a few days ago at the age of 37. Rachel wrote the satirical book “A Year of Biblical Womanhood,” where she tried to…
Church Lock-ins, Funerals, and Easter Condoms
May 1, 2019 • 49 min
Bonnie and Karen has a few false starts this week as they talk about church lock-ins. Join us as we tell you about them in real time. Horny kids, pizza, one bathroom, what could go wrong? Lock-ins have evolved since we were teens, and now there are bouncy…
Stop Believin’: The Story of Trump and Paula White
Apr 24, 2019 • 61 min
Karen tells Bonnie about Paula White, an evangelist who “led Trump to Christ,” and has continued to be a big influence on him. It’s a story few know about, but everything becomes clear once you do. Pics and more at…
Christian School, Sex Talk Sunday, and Playboys in Dumpsters
Apr 17, 2019 • 59 min
This week, Bonnie and Karen discuss their time in Baptist day school. They read a listener’s letter about bringing her boyfriend to church and the Sunday School teachers deciding to divide the boys and girls up so they could talk about sex. And what would…
Transregurgitation, Mike Warnke, and Cement Butts
Apr 10, 2019 • 59 min
Karen and Bonnie read a letter from a listener who had an unfortunate incident with a hymnal, they discuss the Satanic High Priest turned Christian comedian, Mike Warnke (all those monikers are LIES), and finish off with a discussion on body augmentation..
Signs, Wonders, and Male Strippers
Apr 3, 2019 • 50 min
Bonnie and Karen discuss signs from heaven. Does God send signs to show his love, direction, or hilarious humor? Or is life random? Plus—they get kicked off an ex-Christian forum for being “therapists,” God sends Karen a busload of male dancers, and they…
Godly Women, Dead Arms, and Christian College Pranks
Mar 27, 2019 • 42 min
Karen and Bonnie discuss Proverbs 31—being a gawdly woman. They’re off to buy flax and wool to sell at the market, deliver sashes to who knows who, get up at the crack of dawn and make stuff for their household, while also dressing them oddly in purple…
The Rapture, Kirk Cameron, and Foot Washing
Mar 20, 2019 • 44 min
Will you be on the toilet when the rapture comes? This week, Karen and Bonnie fumble through some rapture theories, reminisce about the times they thought they’d been left behind, and, well, that brings up the book series Left Behind—which spawned D…
Abducted in Plain Sight, John Mulaney, and Postcards from Jesus
Mar 13, 2019 • 57 min
Bonnie and Karen attempt to explain why the incredible story told in the Netflix documentary that has everyone freaking out, Abducted in Plain Sight (spoilers ahead), makes more sense when you grow up in church. More notes on our website.
Chris Pratt, Justin Bieber, and Jesus H. Christ
Feb 27, 2019 • 38 min
In this episode, we reveal who we are: REALLY BIG CELEBRITIES. Or perhaps we discuss some real ones who are showing up as trendy Christians on social media—Chris Pratt, Justin Bieber, Sherilyn Fenn, Kendall Kardashian. We kick off the show by telling you…
John Chau, Evangelizing, and Worshipping My Favorite Murder
Feb 13, 2019 • 46 min
On this week’s episode, Bonnie and Karen discuss the fateful missionary trip of John Chau, a zealot young missionary who was killed by a remote tribe in late November of 2018. Then they recount their bumbling efforts of ushering people into the kingdom.
Jesus Camp, the Documentary that Scares the Hell Out of Everybody
Jan 30, 2019 • 35 min
Bonnie and Karen give a little intro about what the podcast is about. Basically, nothing of substance. But they love to talk about the humorous memories of being “on fire for Jesus.” The Good Thing of the Week: Karen is thankful for kinetic sand. It is…
Backmasking, Stryper, and the Good and Evil of Christian and Secular Music
Jan 16, 2019 • 40 min
Bonnie and Karen bring out the ol’ cassettes and talk about Amy Grant to Led Zeppelin. Show notes: Bonnie and Karen say hola to everyone. Right off the bat, Bonnie accused Karen of making up the word “podcatchers”—which is a word! We’re now on iTunes,…
Stop Being Sexy
Dec 24, 2018 • 27 min
Bonnie and Karen read their first submitted story by a listener! The subject is how Christianity shames females into thinking all sexual “sins” are their fault, even when they didn’t participate! They discuss how rapey ducks can be and how it’s always the…
Purity Culture and Bible Sword Drills
Dec 13, 2018 • 42 min
Yeah, the audio sucks. We know. Think of this podcast as a Chia Pet, watch us grow and things take shape. In this inaugural episode Karen informs Bonnie that people in their church were screwing in the closet in the foyer of their church during church…
Oct 3, 2018 • 1 min
Karen and Bonnie grew up in the evangelical church. It was the eighties and high hair and giving a good “testimony” was all the rage. In each episode they’ll highlight something from the cloaked and weird world of religion—taken from the news, their own…