I Guess We'll Do It That Way

I Guess We'll Do It That Way

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Isaiah and Jon check in to talk about life, popular culture and Zay directing his first feature film, ROLLERS.


69. Feel Like I’m Taking Crazy Pills
Feb 4 • 71 min
Wildly divergent. Novel and exciting. Or just plain crazy. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
68. Ok, Boomer
Jan 24 • 61 min
In Xanadu did Kubla KhanA stately pleasure-dome decree:Where Alph, the sacred river, ranThrough caverns measureless to manDown to a sunless sea. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
67. We Are Not Cattle
Jan 21 • 59 min
You know what it is! See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
66. Unshackled (Part 1)
Dec 17, 2019 • 33 min
Two eps of That Way? Christmas miracle. This one’s a doozie so we broke it in two! See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
65. Riders on the Storm
Dec 10, 2019 • 28 min
This episode got cut short, we’ll have part two later in the week. In the mean time we discuss not getting into Sundance, festivals in general, and the unfairness of numbers. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
64. We Return!
Dec 3, 2019 • 52 min
Back from a long sabbatical and ready to rock. Zay and Jon talk Rollers, life, and the future of the podcast. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
63. Massively Huge Extra Special Update Episode
Sep 5, 2019 • 16 min
It’s just Uncle Zay in the studio today because Uncle Jonny Bear is welcoming a new person into the world. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
62. Let’s Talk about GHOSTS w/ Johnny Ray Gill (Star of Rollers)
Aug 27, 2019 • 49 min
Floating Islands on Lake Tidicaca / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r9D16YY-TM See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
61. No Changes // Interview with Johnny Ray Gill AKA Rufus
Aug 20, 2019 • 46 min
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Episode 60: Zedward Scissorhands
Aug 13, 2019 • 42 min
Zay breaks out a new summer cut! You can’t see it, but you can hear us talk about it and some other stuff! See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
Episode 59: Dark Days, Bright Future
Aug 6, 2019 • 45 min
Zay and Jon go deep on current events; mass shootings, unrest, and upheaval. But there is light at the end of the tunnel and art to make. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
Episode 58: Once Upon A Time In Palm Springs
Jul 30, 2019 • 43 min
Zay’s on sabbatical but we still get a Rollers update, discuss Tarantino’s new movie, and much much more. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
Episode 57: Bertelsen Bonanza Part 2
Jul 26, 2019 • 37 min
The great and wonderful Tommy Bertelsen is back for part 2. We cover his life, career, and phenomenal upcoming narrative podcast: How Did I Get Here.Check out Tommy and show him some love: tommybertelsen.com See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out…
Episode 56: Bertelsen Bonanza Part 1
Jul 23, 2019 • 46 min
Sometimes you sit down with a real one. Tommy B tees it up and whacks-a-mole on this episode. He’s a director. He was a child actor. He’s making a podcast. He’s a great guy. Find and support Tommy here: http://www.tommybertelsen.com See acast.com/privacy…
Episode 55: Fault Lines and Fresh Starts
Jul 9, 2019 • 42 min
A visit from Capn’ Dingus to beautiful Los Angeles prompts a new season and some earth shaking. Jon and Zay recount their time together and hopes for the future. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
Episode 54: Progress Not Perfection
Jul 2, 2019 • 76 min
We begin with ancient structures and finish with Rollers and self-help. ` See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
Episode 53: Pitchers and Pork Rinds (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 42)
Jun 25, 2019 • 43 min
The boys are back at it. Barely any Rollers talk, but plenty o’ banter. We talk baseball, cooking, movies, and more! See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
Episode 52: We Are The Illusion
Jun 19, 2019 • 52 min
The boys take a break from Rollers to talk Network, conspiracies, corporate greed, societal ills, and much much more. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
51: Foray into Feedback (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 41)
Jun 12, 2019 • 54 min
Zay and Jon discuss the latest screening of Rollers (Zay’s first feature film). We discuss handling criticism, the current state of the film, and how to finish with gold. The race is not won by the swift but to the one who endures till the end.Follow…
50! Not Getting Any Junger (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 40!)
Jun 5, 2019 • 57 min
The boys hit a milestone and celebrate with some wild offers, (review the podcast and win a trip to LA for the premier of Rollers), some self-reflection, and some future plans. Wouldn’t be an anniversary episode sans cooking with Jon and Zay and some…
49: Got No Juice (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 39)
May 29, 2019 • 21 min
Sick and worn out, Zay and Jon recap the past week in Rollers’ post production. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
48: Revelation Brings Rebirth (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 38)
May 22, 2019 • 46 min
A message to Zay. A revelation. A new cut. Jon is exposed as a Doubting Thomas. Is Rollers saved? Maybe; but apotheosis is weeks if not months away. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
47: The Zay Archer/Revenge of The Draft (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 37)
May 14, 2019 • 59 min
Zay and Jon discuss Rollers screening 3. Strength through adversity, ying and yang, chaos and order. Zay closes his eyes and looses his arrows. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
46. Return of the Draft (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 36)
May 7, 2019 • 51 min
Zay completes and screens a second cut of Rollers, his first feature film. We discuss the results of said screening and much more.info@mamabearstudios.com See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
45. Get Off Your Ass Smallman (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 35)
Apr 30, 2019 • 65 min
Zay gives us the low down on the podcast history and our numbers; we attempt to reduce those numbers by discussing them. Later we dive into film festivals, Dunbar’s Number, Tristan da Cunha, depression, and much much more. See acast.com/privacy for…
44. Good Scenes, a Good Movie Do Not Make (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 34)
Apr 24, 2019 • 65 min
Zay showed a rough cut of Rollers, his first feature film, and revelations abound! And of course we discuss Easter, controversial authors, Moloch, Segway conspiracies and so much more. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
43. Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 33)
Apr 16, 2019 • 46 min
Back in the saddle. We return from a hiatus to yak and talk Rollers. Updates and poems abound! See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
42. Let The Post Begin (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 32)
Mar 21, 2019 • 53 min
The boys review the project thus far, the state of the world, and things to come! Rollers persists. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
41. Sacred and Profane
Mar 13, 2019 • 47 min
We return for part two with Henry to discuss the Nephilim, the Garden of Eden, Marilyn Robinson, the pyramids and the widely discredited Serpent Seed Theory—but not Rollers. Also, Jon discovers vaporwave and crams his Billy Graham collage down our…
40. Quarks in Quarks in Quarks (THIS IS 40!)
Mar 6, 2019 • 51 min
The boys hit a milestone and celebrate by discussing many topics out of their depth. Physics, Nephilim, Pyramids, Pi, the secret of life… mercifully a guest arrives at the end to bring us back to reality… or hurtle us deeper into space. Part 1/2. See…
39.5 The Fat Lady Hath Sungeth: Part Deux (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 31)
Mar 1, 2019 • 43 min
Zay regales us with tales of Rollers’ final production day with—of course—several tangents and many teases. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
39. The Fat Lady Hath Sungeth (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 30)
Feb 28, 2019 • 43 min
ALT EPISODE DESCRIPTIONS:Rollers is in the can and the boys rehash the creation of Zay’s first feature flim. Zay gets a software upgrade and some (one) sound effect(s).Rollers is wrapped up like a little burrito. But will the first bite be a perfect blend…
38. The Final Meltdown (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 29)
Feb 20, 2019 • 29 min
Rollers enters the final week of shooting and Zay dishes the goods through a tin can. Tensions run high but lessons are learned as movie magic is made. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
37. Catharsis Is Coming (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 28)
Feb 5, 2019 • 62 min
Rollers is being put to (digital) film and the boys yak about Uncle Zay’s successes and setbacks on set thus far. Turns out: making your first Indie is challenging and cathartic; plus some tangents. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out…
36. The Moon is a Giant Rock in the Sky (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 27)
Jan 22, 2019 • 35 min
We’re one week out from production. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
35. All Hands on Deck // Feat. Grant Withington (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 26)
Jan 16, 2019 • 31 min
Go follow @RollersMovie on Instagram!! See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
34. Garbage on the Garbage Heap (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 25)
Jan 8, 2019 • 43 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku42Iszh9KM See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
33. Strap On Your Fanny Packs (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 24)
Jan 1, 2019 • 65 min
Rollers is rolling into high gear, but Zay is feeling at least reasonably peaceful about the whole thing. Jon’s been binging “The Haunting of Hill House” and he’s scared shitless. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
32. A Much Needed Christmas Escape (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 23)
Dec 25, 2018 • 30 min
We hope you’re having fun with your families these holidays. But if you need to get away from the politics and presents, throw this episode on the old turntable and escape into the wild and meandering minds of Uncle Zay and Jonny Bear. See…
31. Old Hags, Exploding Heads & David Ferino (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 22)
Dec 21, 2018 • 53 min
We’ve got legendary writer/director David Ferino in the bear den this week to recap Jon’s LA trip among other things. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
30. “You Lookin’ At Me?” Live from ROLLERS! (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 21)
Dec 18, 2018 • 64 min
YOU LOOKIN’ AT ME? // https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOOrJSJp4-IVideo of drive through the hills // https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f4kDXrmuF0Video of san marino drive // https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOSKDNx88T4Ebell club —Dave Ferino Shorts —Trailer…
29. Rollers Music Fest & Jon Read Rollers 3 Times (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 20)
Dec 11, 2018 • 56 min
Coming soon. SORRY!!! We’re crazy busy and we know you don’t really read them anyway. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
28. Are We All Just Waiting For Guffman? (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 19)
Dec 7, 2018 • 52 min
Jon forces Zay to answer the all-important question… Is he a good director? Well, at the end of the day it doesn’t matter because eventually we’ll all be under a glacier. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
27. Merrily We Roll Along (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 18)
Dec 3, 2018 • 56 min
Corn Pone // https://www.geniuskitchen.com/recipe/corn-pone-225175Imposter Syndrome // https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqhUHyVpAwEDr. Quinn Medicine Woman // https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPoponO4dh4 (hahaha)Cusco Walls //…
26. Is Anyone Having Any Fun?! (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 17)
Nov 20, 2018 • 61 min
Google it :) See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
25. No One Gives a Crap About Hollywood. Also Jon Sings Weezer. Feat. Bryce McGuire
Nov 16, 2018 • 45 min
Sermon Series on the book of Ecclesiastes by Rankin Wilbourne (Pacific Crossroads Church)Momentum Mori- Prince of Orange Pyramids in Mexico/ Zay’s tattooNight Swim comes to lifeJames Wan backs Night SwimAnother short accepted by Amblin Entertainment-…
24. Bryce McGuire is a Successful Writer/Director… And he’s Broke
Nov 13, 2018 • 48 min
Breaking Bad // Mark Johnson (Producer)Wise Blood (By Flannery O’Connor)Do you have to live in LA to make it in Hollywood?Do drug dealers use gold? // Apparently “Gold is the new Cocaine for money launderers”Tommy BertelsenTommy is a Badass director and…
23. Scary Movies, Stoner Ghosts and Serial Killers (The Rollers Diaries Vol. 16)
Nov 9, 2018 • 57 min
Halloween RecapHalloween the movieJohn’s Halloween joke: “Why can’t ghosts have kids? Cuz they have hollo-weenies”.John Carpenter’s- HalloweenZAY wants to make a scary movieThe ExorcistQuentin Tarantino’s interview for Kill Bill Psychopath testSAW is the…
22. Zay Gets a Big Fat Stiff Arm, but he’s Building the Perfect Soundtrack // The Rollers Diaries Vol. 15
Nov 6, 2018 • 57 min
Jurassic Park- Michael Crichton - NEXT (future technology), Timeline (middle ages)Jeff Goldblum - “that’s one big pile of shit”Honey I shrunk the kids- Rick Moranis (life now)Ozarks The sure thing- Rob ReinerMulholland DriveHocus pocusPsalty the songbook…
21. Zay’s Crushing Hard on an Actor and Needs a Gift for an Agent // The Roller Diaries Vol. 14
Oct 30, 2018 • 56 min
Time Warner RevenueSaudi Oil Mega-Company — Saudi AramcoA list of the largest companies in the worldHalloween (Dir. David Gordon Green) // TrailerThe Visit (Dir. M Night Shyamalan) // TrailerSplit (Dir. M Night Shyamalan) // TrailerGlass (Dir. M Night…
20. VR Won’t Replace Traditional Movies and Long Takes are Overrated
Oct 23, 2018 • 72 min
Flashback to our first episode!Podcasters Union // InfoFather John Misty // WebsiteAstroworld: Song Sicko ModeElliott Smith // Needle in the HayA woman crying after Trump was elected // It’s a hilarious videoChinese Social Credit Score // Crazzzzy // An…
19. Is Rollers Dead? (Pt. 3 of 3) // The Rollers Diaries Vol. 13
Oct 19, 2018 • 51 min
A Star Is Born (Dir. Bradley Cooper) // TrailerRoma (Dir. Alfonso Cuarón) // TrailerRon Gallo // The song is called “Put The Kids to Bed” // Music video”When we we’re young we said one day // Honey you and I, we’re gonna share a grave // I didn’t know…
18. Is Rollers Dead? (Pt. 2 of 3) // The Rollers Diaries Vol. 12
Oct 16, 2018 • 49 min
The Lottery // Written by Shirley Jackson**DISCLAIMER: The Lottery will in no way increase your chances of winning the lottery, nor will it educate about how to do so. According to Wikipedia The Lottery is a short story written by Shirley Jackson first…
17. Is Rollers Dead? (Pt. 1 of 3) // The Rollers Diaries Vol. 11
Oct 12, 2018 • 47 min
Astro the RapperBird scooters / bird scooter carnage LA Times: “Fed-up locals are setting electric scooters on fire and burying them at sea”“People Are Destroying E-Scooters and Reveling in the Carnage”Soho House in West Hollywood //…
16. Should We “Save the Cat” or Let It Die? A Discussion About Script Structure
Oct 5, 2018 • 38 min
Save the Cat (By Blake Snyder) // On AmazonThe “Beat Sheet,” a now classic writing tool for analyzing a script // Here’s one for STAR WARSJoseph Campbell links //A cool video explaining his stuff (“The hero’s journey”)Here’s his famous bookLethal Weapon…
15. A Deep Dive on Scripts & Zay Breaks Down His Script “The Sidekick”
Oct 2, 2018 • 35 min
A Very Helpful Video About Mormon Space PlanetsFortnight // Video of people playingDo the Right Thing // Link to the script bookThe actual definition of a slug lineA slug line, Also called a master scene heading, occurs at the start of every scene and…
14. Rollers Has a Start Date, Anamorphic Lenses and Earthquakes // The Rollers Diaries Vol. 10
Sep 25, 2018 • 70 min
Catch up on Rollers // Zay is setting some dates on the record: FEBRUARY 4, 2019Editing Robots // Apparently they exist in some form… Too bad they suck.A terrible overview of lensesMainly the difference between anamorphic and spherical lenses.Thank you…
13. Writing Scripts, Getting Big Dogged & The Calabasas Clambake // The Rollers Diaries Vol. 9
Sep 18, 2018 • 85 min
Gold Star // One of Zay’s favorite songs called “Crooked Teeth.”Zay might be losing it // Here’s a picture of the peak behind the Hollywood sign where Zay shouted “I’m gonna make a movie” and then pissed on LA.Kids See Ghosts // Feel the LoveHere’s a…
12. Tax Credits, Penny Stocks and Peter Dinklage’s Dingaling // The Rollers Diaries Vol. 8
Sep 14, 2018 • 64 min
Opie and Anthony // Famous shock jocks from 1995 - 2014Vanilla Sky (2001) // Dir. Cameron Crowe // Watch some behind the scenes //Sid The Cat // An awesome LA Based Concert PromoterThe American Legion // WebsiteFreemasons and their Temple LodgesWe’re…
11. Locations, Locations, Locations Pt. 1 // The Rollers Diaries Vol. 7
Sep 11, 2018 • 45 min
Mc Hammer is selling gold… with a gold hammer. Titanium rings CAN be dangerous // Most jewelers and hospitals apparently don’t have the necessary tools to cut them15:00 // Our intro BS ends and we finally start talking about locations!! Avengers Infinity…
10. T-Shirt Giveaway and Halfassed History // Bonus Episode
Sep 7, 2018 • 56 min
Hint: if you want to skip right to the giveaway jump ahead to 17:00 into the episode!Egg cooker timer thingBen and Jerry’s “The Tonight Dough,” AKA the greatest ice cream flavor ever conceived by human hands.Nailed it on NetflixThe Dark Ages on via the…
9. Good Artists Copy; Great Artists Steal // The Rollers Diaries Vol. 6
Sep 4, 2018 • 56 min
The War on Drugs // Here’s the music video for “Pain,” a song from his new album Thinking of a Place. Adam Granduciel, the main creative force behind the band happens to be from Philadelphia, which is also Zay’s home town and right across the river from…
8. What’s the Point of Making a Movie? Is it Worth the Risk? // The Rollers Diaries Vol. 5
Aug 28, 2018 • 56 min
The Donner Party on WikipediaChive TV20:00 Zay doesn’t want to make what he doesn’t want to make. And yes he realizes how spoiled that makes him.Walker Percy On Wikipedia // The Second Coming (1980) on Amazon“How did it happen that now he could see…
7. Zay Almost Died at Sundance // Feat: Steve Smallman
Aug 21, 2018 • 57 min
00:00 // Intro talk. Are we out of topics!? Nope. As Jon’s wife says, “only boring people are bored.”5:30 jumping into the episode! (We’re talking about Sundance)Robert Redford is a good looking man. “Old Man And The Gun” // Watch the trailer Mr. Show //…
6. A Humiliating Confession and Mission Impossible (for Jon) // Feat: Uncle Nate
Aug 14, 2018 • 51 min
00:00 // Jon didn’t actually see the movie. Is it weird that Tom Cruise is a scientologist?11:30 // Does JJ Abrams have any actual influence over the Mission Impossible Franchise? And does Tom Cruise doing his own stunts have a net positive or net…
5. Never Goin’ Back // In Theaters Now!
Aug 7, 2018 • 63 min
Watch the Never Goin’ Back Trailer!Listen to the Never Goin’ Back Soundtrack on SpotifyLefty Frizzell (Augustine’s grandad!) // Check out his wikipedia situation13:00 // How Do Film Festivals Work? (Specifically how do they schedule screenings?)19:00 //…
4. What Do Producers Do? Also Zay Has a Casting Director // The Rollers Diaries Vol. 4
Jul 30, 2018 • 42 min
Episode 4 | Show Notes0:00 // Opening Conversation3:20 // Rollers Project UpdateZay attached a casting director!!Rebecca Dealy of Chrystie Street Casting in NYCWorked on films like Hereditary (2018), Jacki (2016), Patti Cake$ (2017) and many others.Check…
3. What Makes a “Successful” Indie Movie? // The Rollers Diaries Vol. 3
Jul 23, 2018 • 60 min
Episode 3 | Show Notes0:00 - 9:00 | Jon and Zay cover Broadway and Jon’s NYC exploits.9:00 - 33:26 | Zay and Jon cover Zay’s responds to the theoretical haters. What if you’re you’re good enough to make it? What does success look like? What are Zay’s…
2. Casting Directors, Donuts, Euro Stepping & Rude Boize // The Rollers Diaries, Vol. 2
Jul 16, 2018 • 66 min
Great World Cup Dives (Feat. Neymar of Brazil)A list of the best LA Donut ShopsDon’t Think TwiceDir. Mike BirbigliaCasting Dir. Jessica Kelly, Kate GellerWatch the TrailerLady BirdDir. Greta GerwigCasting Dir. Heidi Giffiths, Allison Jones, Jordan…
1. You Want to Talk About Your Movie? Um… Who Are You? // The Rollers Diaries, Vol. 1
Jul 9, 2018 • 41 min
Show Notes00:00 - Introductions2:00 - Our nameless cat producer bailed on the show, so Jon and Zay are looking for a new producer. Applications, which are now open to dogs as well, can be submitted here4:00 - What the hell is this show, anyway?Fancy Rhino…
0. Official “I Guess We’ll Do It That Way” Trailer!
Jul 8, 2018 • 1 min
“I Guess We’ll Do it That Way” is a weekly conversational comedy show where Isaiah Smallman and Jon Schimpf talk about life, movies and Zay’s progress as he directs his first feature film, Rollers, a dramatic comedy about a struggling concert venue.When…