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Host Mario Fraioli gleans insight and inspiration…


90 | Ask Mario Anything #2
Dec 10 • 70 min
“The first thing I tell athletes who are injured is: Let’s focus on what you can do, not what you can’t. You can’t run, and oftentimes when we’re injured that’s the thing that we focus on, ‘God, I can’t run. This is awful. It sucks.’ And yes, it…
89 | Jen Rhines
Dec 2 • 66 min
“I think, for me, it’s just if I can help people along the way, that’s great. There isn’t any big thing that I hope to accomplish or be remembered for. A good friend of mine pointed out, ‘When you help someone, you don’t know the ripple effect of that.’…
88 | Coree Woltering
Nov 25 • 52 min
“So, the cool thing is a lot of my friends in Boulder were trail runners, so they’re like, ‘Hey, maybe you should just try trail running. You don’t even have to be fast at it—you could just try it.’ And I was like, ‘I guess I could but if I’m going to do…
87 | Lindsay Crouse
Nov 18 • 52 min
“One thing that has been really amazing about reporting on this industry is that I actually am really inspired by it and get really motivated by it and I’m just so motivated by all the amazing women that are balancing running with jobs and also families.…
86 | Bryan Hill
Nov 11 • 78 min
“Tapping into the side of you that has that internal drive is super important because discipline’s a really hard thing, right? Cadence and consistency to me matters, and when I know I’m off loop is when I don’t have that consistency or cadence. If you…
85 | Mary Ngugi and Jared Ward
Nov 7 • 47 min
“I had a breakthrough race in Boston and training for New York has been every bit as good as the training leading into Boston and even better in some aspects, so what I’d really like to do is, I think it would be successful if I validated that performance…
84 | Corrine Malcolm
Nov 5 • 98 min
“If you go into the race knowing it’s going to hurt and you’re OK with it, you’re stronger than most of the people out there—and I just latched onto that: this idea that if I knew it was going to hurt and I was ready for it and I could revel in it and…
83 | Christopher McDougall
Oct 28 • 67 min
“Their phrase they have at the Bird-In-Hand Half Marathon is, ‘The joy of running in community,’ and it’s on all their t-shirts, it’s on all their signs: the joy of running in community. And that’s why I struggle with this idea of competition because…
82 | Jesse Williams
Oct 21 • 102 min
“Anybody that’s in this industry, especially somebody that was in my former position, you sit around all the time and complain about what’s wrong with track and field. I’m one of the biggest talkers when it comes to that, I always complain about what’s…
81 | Steve Jones
Oct 14 • 69 min
“That’s how my whole career, my whole running career went—it was always trying to beat the guy in front of me, always trying to catch the guy in front of me. And that helped me—not just the training, it wasn’t just the training, it was that attitude going…
80 | Sally McRae
Oct 7 • 93 min
“There was definitely a time in my life where I had to tell myself, ‘It’s OK to be broken.’ That’s OK. The goal in life isn’t to be perfect—nobody’s perfect. There’s no one in history that we can point to that’s lived a perfect life. So, the reality…
79 | Jonathan Pierce
Sep 30 • 74 min
“That’s the most dangerous place to be—is to think you know it all. I always just try to go into problems being curious. I’m always just like, ‘I wonder if I can solve this. I wonder if we can figure this out.’ And really, it’s not me, it’s not about me.…
78 | Jeanne Mack
Sep 23 • 59 min
“Why did it take me so long in order to decide that I needed to pull the plug on running? What was it that made me cling to the idea of running a little bit banged up for so long? [Figuring out the answers to those questions] is really cool. I’m getting…
77 | Jason Koop
Sep 16 • 88 min
“One of the really cool things about trail and ultrarunning in particular is people go so far into the unknown and I think that, as an element of humanity, doing something where there’s a legitimate chance that you’re going to utterly fail and get taken…
76 | Amelia Boone Brad Stulberg
Sep 9 • 80 min
“I actually don’t feel that added pressure. If anything, to me, it’s just about continuing to live authentically, and part of that living authentically is that there’s going to be ups and downs—it’s not a linear progression at all and just giving myself…
75 | Brian Metzler
Sep 3 • 65 min
“Sometimes we all want to get as far away from running as possible, right? And I say that in a lighthearted way but I think that anyone who has been involved in running in any way knows what that means. We love running to an obsession, and that’s great,…
74 | Matt Futterman
Aug 26 • 63 min
“It takes a long time to write books, it takes a long time to run a marathon, it takes even longer to train for a marathon, but if you don’t take any shortcuts, and you push yourself, and you do the things that you’re afraid of, if you get comfortable…
73 | Ask Mario Anything
Aug 19 • 71 min
“My relationship with running and myself was not in a good place—I was in a pretty low place. I didn’t have a lot of great relationships in my life, I placed all this importance on running that soured my relationship with it. So that was definitely the…
72 | Lee Troop
Aug 12 • 69 min
“Running is the most simplistic and puristic sport you can do. You put one foot in front of the other, you run as hard as you can for as long as you can, and whoever crosses the finish line first wins. But to see people now not have that joy—and I ask a…
71 | Sarah Sellers
Aug 5 • 50 min
“When I finally got to come back to running, my number one goal was no longer [to] run as fast as I can—my number one goal was, ‘I don’t want to have to give this up long-term again.’ And so that was motivation to have proper nutrition and to realize if I…
70 | Katie Arnold
Jul 29 • 55 min
“The way I approach running, it’s totally a joyous pursuit for me—which doesn’t mean that every day is happy, but I do it because I love it and I feel good when I run, and the racing is just a fraction of it. I had run all summer training on the happiness…
69 | Scott Jurek
Jul 22 • 69 min
“As long as I’m true to myself then hopefully that benefits other people and ideally it’s a symbiotic relationship and it’s something I want to keep doing—and again, I’ve got to find ways to tweak it, it’s all about tweaking that and finding things that…
68 | Tyler McCandless
Jul 15 • 63 min
“I don’t care if somebody wants to criticize my 5K time from July 4—I mean, I got an opportunity to go and race and I went out a little too hard, I made a few mistakes, I learned a bunch from it. It was awesome. That’s the point of it, that’s the point of…
The Weekly Rundown | A Teaser
Jul 8 • 39 min
I’m excited to share a little something different with you this week: a recent episode of The Weekly Rundown, a Patreon-exclusive podcast I’ve been recording the last few weeks with my friend and collaborator, Billy Yang of Billy Yang Films and the Billy…
67 | Gwen Jorgensen
Jul 2 • 53 min
“When I was younger I really struggled with separating myself from sport. I really believed that how I performed is what defined me and I started to perform way better once I was able to separate myself from sport and realize that sport does not define…
66 | Rachel Schneider
Jun 19 • 47 min
“Any time I step on a line it’s this huge moment of gratitude—this is another opportunity to challenge myself, to push myself, to have the privilege to run with these women. So I think when I can frame it that way, and have that sort of perspective, it…
65 | Brady Threlfall
Jun 4 • 56 min
“I was hooked by the appeal that you could work hard and you saw those results. I think coming from team sports, where you could work hard and still not be successful because there was so many different aspects that had to click and go right for that team…
64 | Frank Gagliano
May 27 • 79 min
“No, I’m not surprised [that I’m still coaching] because there’s two things: My heart and my mind is in it big time. And as long as those two continue to be in it—and my health, thank the good Lord at the age of 82 is very good—I love it, and I’m not…
63 | Nicholas Thompson
May 21 • 37 min
“The great thing about running is: it’s all you. If your team does better in soccer, it might be you, it might be your team. You could actually get worse and your team could get better, but if you are getting faster at running, it’s you, so the…
62 | Scott Fauble
May 13 • 61 min
“I went to the lead, even over Heartbreak, with a purpose and with the goal of dropping people and injecting pace—and I think that’s maybe what surprised me the most, is that I was able to be an actual factor and be something that impacted the way the…
61 | Katy Sherratt
May 6 • 56 min
“Homelessness is a label, it is not who they are. It is a point in time, it is something they are struggling through, it is not something that should be used to put a label on them and define them as a human—and that’s what we try to change on those…
60 | Terrence Mahon
Apr 30 • 68 min
“Watching from an athlete perspective, where all of a sudden he gets it, or she gets it, and you see that just click, and then it’s game time, I think that’s the biggest thing I get from an athlete. All these things you see as a coach, like ‘this athlete…
59 | Chelsea Sodaro
Apr 22 • 70 min
“A lot of us endurance athletes are obsessive and one of the things that makes us good is that we’re able to focus on the very small details of our craft and spend a lot of time concentrating on improving those things. On the flip side, it’s pretty easy…
58 | Edward Cheserek
Apr 15 • 36 min
“They were doing 10-mile long runs by that time and I dropped them. And they were like, ‘Oh, this kid is tough!’ I was coming and going on rolling hills and my coach was like, ‘Hmm, you ran the last mile in 4:55.’ I didn’t even know what that meant—4:55 a…
57 | Paddy O’Leary
Apr 8 • 105 min
“I always found myself working very hard to try and be the best at those little things but also enjoy what I was doing. This was evident at a very early age—I wanted to be competitive at something but I wanted to enjoy it while I was doing it. I don’t…
56 | Dena Evans
Apr 2 • 87 min
“A lot of the folks I interact with now, whether it’s a newly post-collegiate athlete who’s still got goals that they want to achieve, or a middle-aged athlete who has a general fitness goal they want to achieve, or they’d like go for that Boston…
55 | Ryan Hall
Mar 25 • 53 min
“I think what made me me was taking big risks and training really hard. And I think that’s what allowed me to have such high highs but it’s also why I had so many low lows as well. I think if I would have taken the edge off my training I probably would…
54 | Erin Strout
Mar 18 • 56 min
“The bottom line is that a lot of people look at running and they want to try it but are intimidated by it—and I think the more encouraging and welcoming we are, starting from the top of the sport, the better it is. And so that’s exciting for me to watch…
53 | Brad Stulberg
Mar 11 • 74 min
“Looking inside at the stuff that is scary and that you don’t want to face, that’s really hard, uncomfortable work. So in order to get to the other side, to truly feel compassionate for yourself and show yourself love, you have to come to terms with the…
52 | Stephanie Bruce
Mar 4 • 58 min
“Things are going to be uncomfortable in life. You’re going to have uncomfortable runs, uncomfortable races, uncomfortable conversations with family and friends, or standing up to your boss if you feel like you deserve a raise. All things like that, I…
51 | Scott Gravatt, Jeremy Bresnen, and Pam Hess
Feb 25 • 50 min
“Everybody runs. It’s the original. You go to an elementary school at lunch time and everybody is running. It’s intrinsic to us. And we lose that, whether we don’t make the track team, whatever it ends up being, we lose that and I think that’s a shame.…
50 | Michael Wardian
Feb 18 • 50 min
“I hope people can find joy in what they’re doing, I hope people find things that are exciting, I hope people can look at me and say, ‘If that dude with a job and a family and 1.5 cars and all the same things that I’m dealing with can get out and do…
49 | Hillary Allen
Feb 11 • 106 min
“There were days when I was just so exhausted and I didn’t even want to get up out of bed because I didn’t even see the point. There was so much time that I spent wishing that the accident would have killed me because it felt like it was easier than to…
48 | Jake Schmitt
Feb 5 • 73 min
“The idea of doing what you love doesn’t happen by accident. Like if I went to drama everyday, sure I’d have fun but it would have been misdirected. And I was fortunate enough to have what I loved and learn it but really cultivate it and really be around…
47 | Devon Yanko
Jan 29 • 86 min
“I just kind of started to give myself a little bit more credit for what I’ve done and stopped having that need to incessantly prove myself. Because nobody else is thinking of me that way, nobody else is quantifying other people that way, it’s just…
46 | Rob Watson
Jan 21 • 71 min
“You know, growing other avenues of my life has been really positive, and having an overall balance in my life, and not just having this laser focus on running. Because before, my running and my happiness were tied so close together that it was almost a…
45 | Colleen Quigley
Jan 14 • 69 min
“Like I want to make people happy, and do the right thing, and be successful. And I think a lot of people end up getting sucked into that and then have to be like, ‘Wait, why am I doing this?’ ‘Do I want to be here?’ ‘Why did I make these choices?’ and…
44 | Brogan Austin
Jan 7 • 62 min
“That’s the great thing about competition or even just running in general—it’s all about yourself. And maybe even greater than that, your running community is behind you and they want you to do well or set PRs. But as long as you’re happy or you’re doing…
43 | Kayla Nolan
Dec 31, 2018 • 60 min
“I think sometimes someone tells you their story, and you’re listening to it and that’s a value; other times you need to tell people about it in advocacy; and other times you need to do something about it to help create change. I kind of see Girls Gotta…
42 | Nate Helming
Dec 24, 2018 • 75 min
“The number one thing is really taking ownership of what you do with your body and understanding that our ideas on strength and exercising, it’s not the multivitamin. I can’t eat like crap and take my daily pill and think I’m good. Strength doesn’t work…
41 | Lindsey Hein
Dec 18, 2018 • 68 min
“As far as balance goes, and how do you make it all work, some people call BS and say balance is not attainable, and I think there are moments in life where it feels like it’s not, but I think if you can really hone yourself in on the things that are…
40 | Des Linden
Dec 10, 2018 • 59 min
“I talk about why I had success in Boston—it’s a 26.2-mile race that this year felt like 30, right? You add in the wind, and the conditions, and it suddenly feels longer, which is part of why I have this advantage in my mind. And so why not test that…
39 | Billy Yang
Dec 3, 2018 • 62 min
“I think my purpose is to share peoples’ stories, share my story, share any stories that will impact peoples’ lives. And I love the idea of the content that I create living beyond me, I do. I try not to get too wrapped up in legacy and all that crap but…
38 | Dan Cruz
Nov 27, 2018 • 79 min
“I’m just excited about being a part of the sport—my love for running and the community continues to evolve. My boy, 4 years old, did the turkey trot yesterday and he loves to race. We go to the track at Point Loma Nazarene and [we’re] raising that next…
37 | Ladia Albertson-Junkans
Nov 20, 2018 • 48 min
“Running is such a passion for me and such a source of joy. It’s really my way of experiencing life but also a way of exploring the world, and so I really look at it from that lens and I’m always interested in new ways of exploring either the planet or my…
36 | Bart Yasso
Nov 13, 2018 • 60 min
“If some of the people at the very front would start with these groups in the very back and see people’s journeys, they would be changed—and they would realize, not only are these people working so hard at it but they [will] actually physically see what…
35 | Kim Conley
Nov 6, 2018 • 51 min
“Not to sound cheesy, but anything is possible. I think that when you set your mind to something, and make a plan on how to get there, then you just chip away at what the next step of the plan is and you keep working up to the next step on the staircase…
34 | Sanjay Rawal
Oct 23, 2018 • 47 min
“It’s really inspiring to see someone push themselves and challenge themselves…Bringing out the achievements of people who are fighting the odds, and really putting into context today’s race, even for a pro, because even a pro is overcoming something…
33 | Ben Rosario
Oct 15, 2018 • 57 min
“You have to look at it like a business. What do you want the culture of your team to be? Focus on that and make sure that the people you’re working with are bought into what you’re doing. Because I’m telling you right now, you could raise Bill Bowerman…
32 | Peter Ciaccia
Oct 9, 2018 • 47 min
“I could remember standing at the start line the next year and [seeing] how impactful what I do—that solidified it for me—how impactful a job I have to see the world come here and run this race. And when the howitzer went off, I couldn’t pull myself away…
31 | Gabe and Justin Grunewald
Oct 1, 2018 • 68 min
“I grew up with faith and I do think that my life has a purpose—and maybe it’s not what I thought it was going to be, but I think that it does help me at some junctures with this disease. This isn’t how I would have chosen my life to turn out at all but…
30 | Lauren Fleshman
Sep 25, 2018 • 70 min
“I’m not trying to build some empire where I need to be liked by as many people as possible. I just want to be myself and be myself publicly—until I don’t anymore, then I’ll just shut down all my social media accounts.” Stoked to welcome Lauren Fleshman…
29 | Mario Mendoza
Sep 17, 2018 • 74 min
“To me that’s faith. To me that’s faith in running. So I think runners understand faith because a lot of times we don’t really see something and it might even take years, but then it’s like ‘Whoa! Where did that come from?’ But it was actually because you…
28 | Sarah Sellers
Sep 11, 2018 • 50 min
“My goal isn’t to garner more media attention or to shock the world or to even top Boston. My goal is to keep the love of the sport, to stay healthy, and to continue chipping away at times because ultimately I think [that] kind of like Des Linden has…
27 | Kara Goucher
Aug 20, 2018 • 44 min
“When you have things that are out of your control, that are weighing on you and really causing you angst on a daily basis, your running is not going to be what you want it to be. It can be a great escape, it can be a place you go to find calmness and…
26 | Mauricio Díaz
Aug 14, 2018 • 53 min
“And then at that same point, I was running and I found out that running was just the best vehicle and the best way and medium to know a place—and eventually, also [to] get to know yourself.” Really enjoyed sitting down with Mauricio Díaz this week for a…
25 | YiOu Wang
Aug 7, 2018 • 101 min
“I think that if you maintain good relationships with people, if you act in a way that is helpful to others, that is kind, that is giving, and you just hold yourself to a high standard, then opportunities will appear before you—and [when they do], just…
24 | Magdalena Boulet
Jul 30, 2018 • 65 min
“My first run ever, I remember just having the feeling of so much joy. I said, “Wow, how come I’ve never experienced this before in the pool? This is so cool.” And it was more about just the fact that I had this feeling of being competitive that never…
23 | Noah Droddy
Jul 23, 2018 • 56 min
“I have faith in myself that on my best day if someone is not having their best day, I might be able to get ‘em. And that’s enough to allow me to show up to a start line with some confidence and rest assured that I’m going to give my best and put my best…
22 | Deena Kastor
Jul 9, 2018 • 58 min
“I really believe that running is such a great way to challenge us and to add that difficulty to our life in a very controlled way so that we can deal with challenge and adversity. And I love that. I love getting to the crux of a workout. I go out hard in…
21 | Dean Karnazes
Jul 2, 2018 • 54 min
“And I thought, “My god, I’ll never get to that level.” And if someone at that level can’t make a go of it in the sport, and you want to make a go of it in the sport, you’re going to have to do a lot more than win races, or just race. You’re going to have…
20 | Kellyn Taylor
Jun 25, 2018 • 39 min
“I’ve never been a person to think that just because someone has a better PR than me that they’re going to beat me. I think that it’s important to have belief in yourself and your capabilities. You have to believe that you’re going to do something great…
19 | Jason Ayr
Jun 18, 2018 • 56 min
“I see it more as the type of runner, athlete, or individual who is looking for that experience and something that might change you a little bit. And that doesn’t necessarily mean it can’t be super competitive as well. For me, what racing the Sun Chasers…
18 | Jeff Dengate
Jun 11, 2018 • 36 min
“What is a runner? To define it today, that’s a question we have to ask. There are a lot of people out there who say, ‘I’m not a runner’ but they probably run 3 or 4 days a week, they might run 25 miles a week, but they also might do other things. The day…
17 | Tina Muir
Jun 5, 2018 • 50 min
“[Putting pressure on myself] is one thing that I found that I did a lot of and I think most runners tend to feel this huge expectation of having to perform. Whereas now, having a daughter, I can say to myself: “You know what? At the end of the day, if I…
16 | Brandon Hudgins
May 28, 2018 • 59 min
“I don’t wanna just be someone who qualified for the Olympic Trials once and made a semifinal or whatever. I want to be someone who’s name is in contention for teams. And that’s my goal these last three years and I’m going to be doing everything I can to…
15 | Aliphine Tuliamuk
May 22, 2018 • 51 min
“When I’m dealing with pressure from racing and stuff, I just tell myself, ‘This is an opportunity of a lifetime.’ When I was growing up, or I started running, I never thought that I would be the person that I am today. I never thought that I would be…
14 | Dylan Bowman
May 7, 2018 • 58 min
“For a lot of these races, at least for me, the key limiting factor to success is oftentimes how excited I am to bury myself. And I’ve just found that when I emphasize the rest, and lean on my experience, that I can get as fit as I’m gonna get in six,…
13 | Simon Freeman
Apr 30, 2018 • 60 min
“I think a degree of paranoia is a good thing—again, whether it’s running or business, it keeps you on your toes. Julie and I literally couldn’t work out why this magazine that we were imagining didn’t exist. Because we didn’t think that we could possibly…
12 | Knox Robinson and Matt Taylor
Apr 24, 2018 • 51 min
Super excited to welcome New York City-based runner, writer, and coach Knox Robinson, along with Tracksmith co-founder and CEO, Matt Taylor, to the podcast. This episode was recorded a few days before the 2018 Boston Marathon at Tracksmith’s Trackhouse.…
11 | Dorothy Beal
Apr 10, 2018 • 55 min
“I’m a normal person. I think I’m an example that, even though I’m not an elite athlete at all, that you can still love this sport, and be just as dedicated, and just as much of a running nerd as an elite athlete. It might sound silly to some, and it…
10 | Meb Keflezighi
Mar 27, 2018 • 54 min
“Nothing changes. We do learn from our mistakes but as a person, hopefully, my teammates from high school or college would still say the same thing [about me]. And that’s my goal. The demands on my time change, and we evolve, and have learning…
9 | Rich Roll
Mar 20, 2018 • 59 min
“When I was 31, that was when I was in rehab. I had a career in the dark belly of alcoholism and at 31 I got sober in a treatment center in Oregon for 100 days, so I think if I had to characterize myself at 31, I was very confused. I was really unsure…
8 | Lou Serafini
Mar 6, 2018 • 57 min
“Running is all relative, you know? Everyone has their own goals and is trying to accomplish their own thing, whether it’s to break 4 in the mile, or to qualify for Boston, or just to simply finish their first marathon. Those runners gave me more support…
7 | Shalane Flanagan
Feb 26, 2018 • 55 min
“It’s addicting to have a great performance. You always want another one. That’s why I considered stopping after New York because it was like, ‘How can I top this?’ And then only thing that can top this or be on the same level, is winning in Boston…
6 | Dathan Ritzenhein
Feb 20, 2018 • 64 min
“I’m happy with what I did on the track, what I did at shorter distances. I’m good with that. I’m good with who I am, with where I’ve been, all of those things, mistakes I’ve made along the way—I’m OK with that. In the marathon though, I just know that my…
5 | Nick Symmonds
Feb 6, 2018 • 54 min
“I’m a gamer. And anyone who trained with me in my 12-year [professional] career would laugh when I say that I’m really bad in workouts. Because they used to say, ‘I would kick your ass every single Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday, but I can’t beat you in…
4 | Amelia Boone
Jan 30, 2018 • 53 min
“You are so much more than just your race results. When I think about people that I know in the obstacle racing world, in the ultra world, I don’t remember where they finished in races. It doesn’t really matter to me. It’s being involved and engaged in…
3 | Des Linden
Jan 22, 2018 • 49 min
“I’m comfortable saying I’m a marathoner and everything feeds into the next marathon and making sure that’s great. So if that means being a little out of shape for some summer racing or some off-season racing, that’s OK. I think you kind of check your ego…
2 | Tim Ritchie
Dec 12, 2017 • 52 min
“I just tried to be the best I could be in the situation I was in—and as that expanded and grew, and as the competition expanded and grew, so did my goals.” Newly minted U.S. marathon champion Tim Ritchie comes on the podcast to discuss growing up in…
1 | Scott Fauble
Dec 4, 2017 • 61 min
“That understanding—that you have to create your own value—is something that was weird to me at first, because I thought that I had value, but I didn’t. I was a 28:40 [10K] guy out of college, and had been All-American a few times, but there’s like 40…