Cooper & Cary Have Words
Cooper & Cary Have Words
James Cary and Barry Cooper are two English friends who live 4000 miles apart and enjoy theology, culture and the arts. Now they record themselves and call it a podcast. Thanks, internet.
BONUS EPISODE: Simply Put - Resurrection
Aug 6 • 6 min
Cooper’s elevator pitch for Simply Put: “It’s a short podcast about long words.”Barry’s been writing and presenting Simply Put since April 2019, so there are dozens of episodes to discover. They usually have funny bits, though this one has a more…
#87 Can I Get A Whiteness?
Jul 29 • 43 min
James and Barry have words about a controversial infographic on “whiteness”. They also talk about the sin of self-reliance, the danger of confusing one’s culture with the gospel, and Vanilla Ice.This episode is sponsored by our friends at the Forefront…
#86 Buried Above Ground
Jul 16 • 53 min
Why are high profile pastors taking their own lives? What’s gone wrong? How can we make sense of it? James and Barry have words.If you’re struggling with suicidal thoughts, don’t struggle alone. There are hotlines you can call, 24 hours a day: 08457 90…
#85 Which Art In Heaven?
Jul 2 • 54 min
James and Barry have a chat about why art produced by evangelicals is often a bit… well, artless. They also wonder aloud if we’re understanding the second commandment correctly.David Field, Not The Least Lash Lost (is evangelism really all that…
#84 Empathy For The Devil
Jun 17 • 42 min
We were all having a perfectly civilized global pandemic, and then it all kicked off. Cooper and Cary end up having words about words, namely “sympathy” and “empathy”. What is the difference, and why does it matter?Get longer, uncut versions of each new…
#83 The Episode THEY Don’t Want You To Hear
Jun 4 • 47 min
Tin foil hats on as James and Barry talk about Conspiracy Theories and whether Christians should know better, following an article in Dallas News by Ed Stetzer and Andrew MacDonald.Books we mention:Voodoo Histories: How Conspiracy Theory Has Shaped…
#82 The Truth About Us
May 21 • 48 min
Barry and James are joined by Brant Hansen to talk about how bad we really are - even though we’re all convinced we’re basically good - and how that realization leads to a more enjoyable and fruitful life. It’s the most fun you’ll have getting over…
#81 Show Us You Care
May 7 • 45 min
Is there more to applauding the NHS than meets the eye? Or ear? Cooper and Cary Have Words about it and wonder where appreciation ends and idolatry begins. They also have words about about Captain Tom and the death of Princess Diana. Ultimately, James…
BONUS EPISODE: Popcorn Parenting - How to Train Your Dragon
May 1 • 32 min
Following on from talking about St George last week, why not have a podcast about dragons? This is Episode 3 of a podcast miniseries called Popcorn Parenting. Yes, another podcast from James Cary. In this, he talks to Nate (Nate does most of the…
#80 Saint Misbehavin’
Apr 23 • 43 min
Happy St George’s Day! OR IS IT? James and Barry discuss the pros and cons of Saint’s Days, liturgical calendars, and metaphorical groyns.James’s article on St George from Death by CivilisationJames KA Smith, You Are What You LoveGreg Beale, We Become…
#79 The Long Good Friday
Apr 9 • 46 min
Easter is a time for the unexpected, so James and Barry pop out a special episode with Nate Morgan Locke. The question on the table: are we so good at talking about Jesus’ death that we’re rather bad at talking about Jesus’ resurrection? Images of…
#78 Greed and The Zero Sum God
Apr 2 • 58 min
Suddenly, talking via the internet is the in-thing and Barry and James are ahead of the curve. This time, they narrowly avoid talking about Greed, one of the seven deadly sins and remember that we do not have A Zero Sum God.They also launch their…
Bonus Episode: Cary and Rachel Gilson on the Good Book Company Podcast
Mar 26 • 43 min
In Series 3 of the Good Book Company podcast, James had a good chat with Rachel Gilson who became a Christian whilst in a same-sex relationship at Yale, reading a stolen copy of CS Lewis’s Mere Christianity.
#77 Love In The Time Of Corona
Mar 18 • 46 min
Why be socially distant when you can be distantly social? James, Barry, Glen Scrivener and Nate Morgan Locke join hands across the Atlantic, then realize immediately what they’ve done and douse themselves in sanitizer. Watch the video of our…
#76 Seeing Green
Mar 5 • 43 min
Barry and James have words with author Tilly Dillehay about envy, her painful interactions with the green-eyed monster, and what a Christian can do to fight it.Seeing Green: Don’t Let Envy Color Your Joy is available here in the UK, and here in the…
#75 Lowest Common Denomination
Feb 20 • 44 min
Barry and James have words about Christian denominations.
#74 A Swing and a Myth
Feb 5 • 49 min
James and Barry talk to friend of the show Nate Morgan Locke about how stories are part of one big story.
#73 Binge Watching and Video Gaming
Jan 23 • 46 min
James and Barry have words about sloth, as they continue their occasional series on the seven deadly sins.
#72 What Have The Ancient Babylonians Ever Done For Us?
Jan 9 • 38 min
James and Barry kick off the new decade by suggesting that if you really want to get things done in 2020, it might be better to avoid New Year’s Resolutions.
#71 Now That’s What I Call 2019
Dec 26, 2019 • 42 min
Barry and James look back at their favourite podcasts, books and films of 2019 in this very seasonal edition of the podcast.
Bonus Episode: The Inquisition with Emma Scrivener
Dec 19, 2019 • 44 min
James talks to author and blogger Emma Scrivener who’s battled with eating disorders and subsequently written about it from a Christian perspective in A New Name: Grace And Healing For Anorexia.
#70 It’s Only Waffer Thin
Dec 12, 2019 • 50 min
James and Barry talk about gluttony. Now what could be more festive than that?
#69 He’s Got This
Nov 27, 2019 • 57 min
James interviews the fascinating Ian Paul about the much misunderstood book of Revelation.
#68 How Much Climate Do We Need Anyway?
Nov 13, 2019 • 55 min
James and Barry delve into your emails and have words about climate change, environmentalism, forgiveness, ambition, the trustworthiness of the Bible, and the movie Joker.
#67 Do You Want To Change?
Oct 31, 2019 • 54 min
James and Barry talk to Glynn Harrison, Emeritus Professor of Psychiatry at Bristol University.
#66 Swipe Up
Oct 18, 2019 • 43 min
James and Barry talk to Dr Jason Roach, author of a new book called Swipe Up.
#65 I Wish I’d Danced
Oct 3, 2019 • 53 min
James interviews Murray Watts - the founder of Riding Lights Theatre Company and writer of award-winning film The Miracle Maker - to talk about his new book, Yours Truly: Parables And Stories.
#64 Hear Me Rohr
Sep 19, 2019 • 46 min
James and Barry review a book that is currently going like gangbusters, Richard Rohr’s The Universal Christ.
#63 Unlikely Converts
Sep 5, 2019 • 55 min
Barry and James are joined by the wonderful Randy Newman, author of the award-winning Questioning Evangelism, and his brand new book, Unlikely Converts.
Bonus Episode: The Good Book Company Podcast
Aug 30, 2019 • 39 min
James Cary talks to Jonty Allcock about how to obey impossible commands in the Bible, as well as chatting about the place of the arts in the church.
#62 You Have Reached Your Predestination
Aug 22, 2019 • 51 min
Barry and James finally bite the bullet and discuss predestination, as part of their ongoing project to please none of the people, all of the time.
#61 It’s Not About The Naan Breads, Dummy
Aug 8, 2019 • 54 min
James talks to Barry about being busy, how we accept this as the norm and why that’s not okay.
#60 Will Someone Please Think Of The Children?
Jul 25, 2019 • 48 min
James and Barry talk to Ed Drew from Faith in Kids about raising children, feeling like a fraud as a parent, children and church, and how maybe Toy Story 4 isn’t actually as bad as Nate thought.
#59 I Have Cancelled The Dalai Lama
Jul 9, 2019 • 54 min
James and Barry talk with Nate Morgan Locke about Pastor David Platt praying for President Trump, before discussing “cancel culture” and what we’re supposed to do with our fallen heroes. Finally they pivot into Nate’s (spoiler free) rant about Toy Story 4.
Bonus Episode: Simply Put - Original Sin
Jul 3, 2019 • 6 min
We interrupt our scheduled schedule to bring you a taste of Barry’s podcast, Simply Put. The elevator pitch: Barry makes big theology bite-size. This is the first episode, on the subject of Original Sin.Subscribe to Simply Put, and find more episodes…
#58 Hello Mormonism
Jun 27, 2019 • 40 min
James has a side project talking about Mormonism with his mate Matthew Fisher, and have recorded a special intro episode with a regular episode that’s all neatly bundled up with a bow here by James and Barry.
#57 The Oughtness of Endings
Jun 13, 2019 • 42 min
Why do some story endings feel right and others feel wrong? James and Barry discuss some of the best and worst endings in TV and film, and our trusty listeners chip in with theirs.
#56 Turbulence Ahead
May 29, 2019 • 48 min
Barry and James talk about Thomas Becket, why we should care about him, and whether Pascal’s Wager is useful.
#55 It’s A Kind Of Malick
May 15, 2019 • 43 min
Tom Price (of the Oxford Centre for Christian Apologetics and RZIM) joins James and Barry to discuss the magic of Terrence Malick.
#54 Things Can Only Get Better
May 2, 2019 • 46 min
Are things getting better or worse? James and Barry talk about a couple of books they’re reading which take differing views: Factfulness by Hans Rosling, and Idols For Destruction by Herbert Schlossberg.
#53 Plugged In
Apr 16, 2019 • 45 min
James and Barry talk to Doctor Strange - that’s Dr Dan Strange of London’s Oak Hill College in London - about the eternal question: “As a Christian, can I watch _________?”. We also touch on emotional incontinence, and why sentimentality is so toxic.
#52 An Event That Unfolds In Real Time
Apr 4, 2019 • 50 min
Sacred cows are slaughtered as James and Barry talk about what makes a good Bible study - and a bad one. Ed Shaw, Sam Allberry, Christopher Ash, Sherri Lynn Johnson and Nate Morgan Locke join in.
#51 I Want To Punch You In The Face
Mar 21, 2019 • 42 min
James and Barry talk to the wonderful writer and comedian Sherri Lynn about her new book, I Want To Punch You In The Face But I Love Jesus. Among other things, we discuss bombing on stage, calendar issues, and also Patty Michelle Sinclair.
#50 If It’s Any Consolation…
Mar 7, 2019 • 41 min
Barry and James ‘celebrate’ fifty episodes by apologising again and talk about what they would say to their twenty-year-old selves, and wonder whether their younger selves would have listened anyway.
#49 Sorry Not Sorry
Feb 21, 2019 • 45 min
What makes for a good apology? What makes for a bad one? James and Barry talk about that for a bit, and then apologize for some things they said in the last episode.
#48 American Gospel
Feb 7, 2019 • 43 min
James and Barry talk to Brandon Kimber (@BKimber), the writer and director of American Gospel, an excellent new documentary which examines the so-called “prosperity gospel”. Alongside more frivolous matters, we also wonder aloud why so many prosperity…
#47 The Sacred Art Of Joking
Jan 24, 2019 • 58 min
Barry and James are joined by, well, James to talk about his brand new book The Sacred Art Of Joking. We discover how James got into comedy, why the church is terrified of it, and why offence isn’t the best way of deciding whether or not a joke should be…
#46 Tell Me A Toy Story
Jan 10, 2019 • 57 min
Barry and James are joined by Nate Morgan Locke who wonders if we should be telling more stories in our evangelism.
#45 Ask Us Anything
Dec 27, 2018 • 52 min
Barry and James answer questions from listeners as honestly as they can (except questions about predestination).
#44 We’re Loving Angels Instead
Dec 13, 2018 • 46 min
James and Barry talk about angels and why some Christians still have some kind of problem with the heavenly realms.
#43 Timmy Wants More Chocolate
Nov 28, 2018 • 47 min
Barry talks to Nate Morgan Locke about parenting and raising Christian children before James and Barry make another announcement.
#42 We Are The Birds
Nov 15, 2018 • 50 min
Barry talks to Nate Morgan Locke about some toe-curling youth events before James & Barry make a couple of major announcements.
#41 Pants on Fire
Nov 1, 2018 • 46 min
James and Barry talk about lying.
#40 Mailbag & Purgatory
Oct 18, 2018 • 56 min
James and Barry delve into the mailbag and end up talking about satire, the Reformation, Purgatory and the Arts.
#39 Carved Images, Catechisms & Creeds
Oct 4, 2018 • 41 min
James and Barry talk about catechism, creeds, carved images and, er, ghostbusters.
#38 No Other Gods
Sep 20, 2018 • 45 min
James and Barry get their heads around what it means to have no other gods.
#37 Mind Your Language
Sep 6, 2018 • 40 min
James and Barry talk about language, blasphemy and purity of speech.
#36 The Plausibility Problem
Aug 23, 2018 • 37 min
James and Barry talks to Ed Shaw, author of The Plausibility Problem, about Same-sex attraction and what Biblical inclusion really means.
#35 Terry Waite
Aug 9, 2018 • 52 min
James talks to none other than Terry Waite, CBE, about his book, Solitude.
#34 Mad or God?
Jul 26, 2018 • 47 min
James talk to Professors Andrew Sims about his book, Mad or God?: Jesus: The Healthiest Mind of All.
#33 Long Story Short
Jul 12, 2018 • 30 min
Barry and James talk to evangelist Glen Scrivener about his new book, Long Story Short.
#32 Don’t Start Your Sermon With a Joke
Jun 27, 2018 • 36 min
Barry and James talk to evangelist, author and former stand-up comedian Glen Scrivener about why should shouldn’t start your sermon with a joke.
#31 Should I Watch Love Island?
Jun 14, 2018 • 53 min
Barry and James discuss crucial questions about Love Island, whether they should even talk about it given they haven’t actually seen it, and how some things that are seen cannot be unseen.
#30 Feels & Even Keels
May 31, 2018 • 42 min
Barry and James talk about Christian Hedonism, Words with Friends and why most books these days are too long.
#29 Dietary Advice
May 17, 2018 • 32 min
Barry and James are back with Dr Ros Clarke, from the Church Society, talking about dieting, fasting and body image.
#28 The Other Priscilla
May 10, 2018 • 32 min
Barry and James talk to Dr Ros Clarke, from the Church Society, about Evangelical Gnosticism and theological training for ministry by women.
#27 A Pug Dog Called Buddha
May 3, 2018 • 32 min
A fascist pug dog gets everyone talking about free speech, including James and Barry
#26 Don’t Push It
Apr 26, 2018 • 40 min
At the behest of a listener, James and Barry talk about The Push from Derren Brown and the sitcom Living Biblically on CBS.
#25 Disciples and Ships
Apr 19, 2018 • 42 min
James and Barry are reunited for their quarter century episode and talk about Discipleship Explored, a brand new documentary series based on Philippians.
#24 Half Full of Words and Music
Apr 12, 2018 • 16 min
Just a little podlet this week, as James and Barry pester Mark Meynell for the last time, talking about books and, when pressed, music.
#23 Prone To Moan
Apr 5, 2018 • 30 min
James and Barry talk more to fine artist Alastair Gordon about artists in the church, how to avoid moaning, and how the Reformers were not as artless as we might think.
#22 The Art is Fine
Mar 29, 2018 • 37 min
James and Barry talk to fine artist Alastair Gordon about how his career, his exhibitions and what makes good and bad art.
#21 When Darkness Seems My Closest Friend
Mar 22, 2018 • 44 min
Author and teacher Mark Meynell talks with James and Barry about his experience of the triggers, symptoms, and treatments of depression.
#20 Leaving Las Facebook
Mar 14, 2018 • 33 min
James and Barry ask author and teacher Mark Meynell why he removed himself from Facebook.
#19 USA! USA! And All That
Mar 8, 2018 • 35 min
Barry and James talk about national pride, somewheres, anywheres and out-of-heres.
#18 Artists In The Church
Mar 1, 2018 • 37 min
Barry and James talk about when they met, and how the Church struggles to relate to artists and creatives.
#17 Can a Christian Buy A Porsche?
Feb 22, 2018 • 29 min
James and Barry talk about whether a Christian can buy a Porsche.
#16 More Tea, Vicar?
Feb 15, 2018 • 34 min
James and Barry talk about the Church of England, the baffling procedures of General Synod and denominational drift.
#15 We Need To Talk About Lobsters
Feb 8, 2018 • 30 min
James and Barry talk about ‘that interview’ of Jordan Peterson by Cathy Newman, and have some thoughts about his latest bestselling book, 12 Rules for Life.
#14 Living In The Margins
Jan 31, 2018 • 34 min
James and Barry ask whether Christians about to be completely marginalized in the West and would that be such a bad thing anyway.
#13 Just Not Feeling It
Jan 24, 2018 • 38 min
James and Barry talk a bit more to syndicated radio host and author of Blessed are the Misfit, Brant Hansen about their feelings - or lack of feelings.
#12 Blessed Are The Misfits
Jan 17, 2018 • 36 min
James and Barry talk to syndicated radio host and author of Blessed are the Misfit, Brant Hansen.
#11.12 Twelve Pods of Christmas - More Movies
Jan 5, 2018 • 25 min
James and Barry finish their seasonal podlet series with the last 5 movies from their lists.
#11.11 Twelve Pods of Christmas - Movies
Jan 4, 2018 • 24 min
James and Barry talk about their favo(u)rite movies of all time and, no big surprise, James’ list is full of comedies and Barry’s, well, isn’t..
#11.10 Twelve Pods of Christmas - Goldberg and Brontë
Jan 3, 2018 • 10 min
James and Barry reach the final book in their series of their Best Books of All Time.
#11.9 Twelve Pods of Christmas - O’Rourke and Wilde
Jan 2, 2018 • 13 min
James and Barry talk about their favo(u)rite books of all time and on the ninth book of ten the gap is widening even further.
#11.8 Twelve Pods of Christmas - Chesterton and Bulgakov
Jan 1, 2018 • 10 min
James and Barry talk about their favo(u)rite books of all time and now it’s becoming pretty obvious how different James and Barry really are.
#11.7 Twelve Pods of Christmas - (Sort Of) Travel Books
Dec 31, 2017 • 13 min
James and Barry talk about their favo(u)rite books of all time, this time choosing books that couldn’t be described as travel books in a million years.
#11.6 Twelve Pods of Christmas - Christian Books
Dec 30, 2017 • 13 min
James and Barry talk about their favo(u)rite books of all time and this time, they’re choosing a proper Christian book
#11.5 Twelve Pods of Christmas - Books About Writers
Dec 29, 2017 • 9 min
James and Barry talk about their favo(u)rite books of all time and this time, they choose a book about a writer.
#11.4 Twelve Pods of Christmas - Doorstoppers
Dec 28, 2017 • 11 min
James and Barry talk about their favo(u)rite books of all time and they each chose a proper doorstopper.
#11.3 Twelve Pods of Christmas - Thrillers
Dec 27, 2017 • 8 min
James and Barry talk about their favo(u)rite books of all time and they each chose a thriller.
#11.2 Twelve Pods of Christmas - C S Lewis
Dec 26, 2017 • 10 min
James and Barry talk about their favo(u)rite books of all time and who’d’ve thunk they’d both choose books by CS Lewis?
#11.1 Twelve Pods of Christmas - Children’s Books
Dec 25, 2017 • 9 min
James and Barry talk about their favourite children’s book.
#10 So Long, 2017
Dec 20, 2017 • 41 min
James and Barry talk about their favo(u)rite movies, books, tv and podcasts of 2017.
#9 The Truth About Santa
Dec 13, 2017 • 41 min
Should Christians tell their kids the truth about Santa?
#8 Answering Questions with Questions?
Dec 6, 2017 • 47 min
James & Barry talk about Questioning Evangelism by Randy Newman, Christian movies and faucets.
#7 The Forgotten Commandment
Nov 29, 2017 • 47 min
Barry & James talk about Thanksgiving and the importance of gratitude, and then look ahead to Christmas with an interview with comedian Paul Kerensa.
#6 The God of Open Options
Nov 23, 2017 • 44 min
Barry & James talk about Christmas lights, Middle English and the tyranny of choice
#5 The Cult of Personality Tests
Nov 15, 2017 • 45 min
Barry (INFJ) and James (INFP) talk about personality tests, Myers Briggs, Enneagrams, Hamlet and Kevin Pietersen.
#4 Was Jesus Funny?
Nov 9, 2017 • 51 min
Was Jesus funny? (Ans: Yes)
#3 Hocus Pocus
Nov 2, 2017 • 45 min
Barry and James talk about the weather, obviously, and Halloween.
#2 Dreams, Doors & Casting Couches
Oct 24, 2017 • 45 min
Barry and James discuss Martin Luther, Ulrich Zwingli, Harvey Weinstein, the Mike Pence Rule and Puritans. And the weather. Briefly.
#1 Game of Hurricanes
Oct 16, 2017 • 48 min
Barry and James talk about Martin Luther’s 95 Theses, whether Christians should watch Game of Thrones, and recommend a couple of books.
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