Tell Me What To Say with Drew Kugler

Tell Me What To Say with Drew Kugler
This podcast series presents conversations about, well, conversation. Noted communication and leadership counselor Drew Kugler talks with people from all walks of life, and a range of professions, who have made an impact in the world. These episodes offer insights that you can apply to conversations in the workplace, at home, and anywhere that you want to make a difference.

Mason Trinca
Sep 23 • 32 min
It’s not just showing up to the scene and taking pictures. My guest this week discusses how he uses conversation to build trust and respect on the ground, even in the most dangerous and emotionally charged situations, in order to produce the best…
Mark McKee
Sep 16 • 26 min
How do you guide an organization and the people it serves through uncertainty? My guest today explains how his school uses its mission and values as a “north star,” regardless of the circumstances they can’t control.
Cancel Culture
Sep 10 • 5 min
Forget where “Cancel Culture” shows up in the slog of news and media. Instead, think about where it shows up in your life. When is the last time you shut someone out, and why? Indulge me in a brief exploration of how we can better engage with people who…
Keith Yamashita
Aug 28 • 33 min
My guest this week discusses his life’s work guiding companies through large-scale change, and how his personal journey recovering from a stroke has informed that work. I invite you to listen to Keith Yamashita’s unique and enlightening perspective on how…
Living In A Zoom World
Aug 21 • 7 min
As the virus grinds on, Zoom and such have entrenched themselves into all corners of connecting with others. On today’s episode of TMWTS I offer my perspective on making the most you can of this pandemic necessity.
Meeting Feeling With Feeling
Aug 13 • 6 min
On today’s episode of Tell Me What To Say, I explore a persistent myth about how people change their behavior. We must rethink our urge to persuade with facts, and instead meet emotion with emotion.
Dr. Natasha Bhuyan
Jul 31 • 28 min
My newest podcast with Dr. Natasha Bhuyan highlights the lifesaving impact deliberate conversations have in the medical field. I invite you to listen to how she and her teams employ a central pillar of Constructive Candor: getting other people to tell…
Until It’s Faced
Jul 12 • 9 min
On today’s episode of Tell Me What To Say, I offer Thoughts and suggestions on the demands on creating long term change. With so many more voices rising, progress will depend on what listening follows them. Especially when things get uncomfortable.
Bishop Kenneth Ulmer
Jun 25 • 38 min
Bishop Kenneth Ulmer is the leader of Faithful Central Bible Church. He has studied at Pepperdine University, Hebrew Union College, the University of Judaism and Christ Church and Wadham College at Oxford University in England. He received a PhD. from…
Peiman Raf A.C. (After Covid-19)
Jun 17 • 11 min
Peiman Raf is Co-Founder and CEO of Madhappy, a luxury clothing brand that centers its messaging around mental health. Beyond creating products and brand imaging that resonates with consumers, Madhappy strives to reduce the stigma around mental health and…
Peiman Raf B.C. (Before Covid-19)
Jun 17 • 36 min
Peiman Raf is Co-Founder and CEO of Madhappy, a luxury clothing brand that centers it’s messaging around mental health. Beyond creating products and brand imaging that resonates with consumers, Madhappy strives to reduce the stigma around mental health…
The Power Of Pause
May 26 • 20 min
Drew discusses one of the most common mistakes we make when interacting with others - we don’t stop talking. Whether it’s deliberately choosing when to pause or asking thoughtful questions, Drew provides concrete ways for you to create space in every part…
Sue Naegle
May 18 • 35 min
Sue Naegle is the Chief Content Officer at Annapurna Pictures. Prior to that, she was President of HBO Entertainment, and was instrumental in shepherding such shows as Game of Thrones, Boardwalk Empire, True Blood, Treme, Eastbound & Down, Enlightened,…
Tom Peters
May 7 • 24 min
For over 40 years, the provocative voice of Tom Peters has been at the forefront of changing how we work and how we take care of one another. You can learn more about our guest today at
Rabbi Steve Leder
Apr 26 • 25 min
Offering his unique blend of refreshing candor and spiritual intelligence, Rabbi Steve Leder weighs in on the challenges of guiding his congregation and himself through this pandemic. We talk fear, loss, and how this crisis can make us more beautiful than…
Seth Godin
May 2, 2018 • 38 min
Entrepreneur and best-selling author Seth Godin talks with Drew about the power of conversations to “turn lights on” and thereby illuminate the potential for positive change.
Nat Damon
Apr 17, 2018 • 34 min
Educational consultant Nat Damon talks with Drew about six elements that excellent teachers incorporate in their classrooms; qualities that be applied to executive leadership as well.
Rabbi Sarah Bassin
Apr 5, 2018 • 31 min
Rabbi Sarah Bassin talks with Drew about her work in fostering intercultural, interfaith conversations to bridge divides of perception and reframe how we deal with conflicts in society.
Trishla Jain
Mar 26, 2018 • 29 min
Trishla talks with Drew about her passion for meaningful conversations and the process that led to the design of a social experience, Gather Conversations, to create more genuine connections.
Phil Rosenthal
Mar 14, 2018 • 37 min
Phil Rosenthal, creator and of “Everybody Loves Raymond” and “Somebody Feed Phil” talks about his belief that sharing meals and laughter gets people to engage in better conversations.
Satya Nadella and Kathleen Hogan
Mar 5, 2018 • 29 min
Microsoft’s Satya Nadella and Kathleen Hogan talk with Drew about what it really takes to evolve a work culture and conversations that inspired significant changes in how people think about their work.
Jeremy Bailenson
Feb 22, 2018 • 28 min
Virtual Reality authority and Stanford University researcher Jeremy Bailenson talks with Drew about the progressive and perilous aspects of this technology that go beyond fantasy.
Bob Oswaks
Feb 8, 2018 • 30 min
If you lost your job and were told that you were unemployable, what would you do? For today’s guest, former marketing executive Bob Oswaks, the answer was to pursue his passion and to turn that into a profession.
Your Questions. My Answers.
Jan 25, 2018 • 18 min
Drew answers listeners’ questions about corporate personality tests (not a fan), self-coaching, and the success that altruism can inspire.
Don Weaver
Jan 9, 2018 • 30 min
Raise your glass and listen in as Don Weaver—Director of the world-renowned Harlan Estate—talks with Drew about the link between great wine and great conversations.
Drew Kugler
Jan 2, 2018 • 2 min
Drew begins to take questions from listeners that will be answered in upcoming episodes. He’ll apply his 32 years of coaching experience to the audience’s communication problems at work, at home, and in the world. Let the conversation begin!
Rob Eshman
Dec 27, 2017 • 31 min
Newspaper publisher, editor, and writer Rob Eshman says that writing is the most comfortable way for him to communicate with people. Yet Eshman, a self-described introvert, shares with Drew his realization that face-to-face conversations are where the…
Peter Principato
Dec 12, 2017 • 37 min
Knowing when to open your mouth and knowing when to shut it. That’s some of the communication advice offered by Peter Principato, President and CEO of Principato-Young Entertainment, in today’s frank and funny conversation with Drew.
Randall Kline
Dec 5, 2017 • 44 min
In today’s conversation, Randall Kline, the Executive Artistic Director and Founder of SFJAZZ, talks with Drew about his journey to create the renowned success that SFJAZZ has become. Randall discusses the lessons he’s learned about leading this dynamic…
Andrea Lieberman
Nov 27, 2017 • 38 min
Drew talks with Andrea Lieberman, a stylist-turned-fashion designer and founder of her eponymous company, A.L.C. Their discussion begins with the inspiration that New York City’s diverse cultural environment had on Andrea’s interest in fashion. And she…
Christopher Noxon
Nov 13, 2017 • 43 min
A thought-provoking and fun conversation with journalist, author and illustrator Christopher Noxon. Topics include politics, religion, family and what to do when your shoes fall apart on the red carpet.
Rabbi Steven Leder
Nov 6, 2017 • 44 min
Sr. Rabbi Steven Leder of the Wilshire Boulevard Temple in Los Angeles talks about journeys through physical and spiritual pain, and finding meaning in the suffering we will all face. Drawing from personal experiences and those of his congregation, Rabbi…
Jessie Kornberg
Oct 30, 2017 • 40 min
Drew talks with Jessie Kornberg, the President and CEO of Bet Tzedek, a community-based organization in Los Angeles that provides free legal services to the most vulnerable. This conversation covers Jessie’s career path starting with dance and…
Lynsi Snyder-Ellingson
Oct 23, 2017 • 24 min
Who doesn’t love In-N-Out Burger? In this podcast, the chain’s CEO Lynsi Snyder-Ellingson opens up to Drew about the family business, family values, faith, and the counter-intuitive secret to the brand’s success.
Daniel Pink
Oct 16, 2017 • 38 min
NYT best-selling author Dan Pink joins TMWTS to talk with Drew about unanswerable questions, avoiding hard conversations, and how Pink’s prolific career flows from his concept of the “slow hunch.” Drew pitches in with a backstage story of how this episode…
Sheryl Sandberg
Oct 2, 2017 • 29 min
The inaugural episode of this podcast series is devoted to a conversation with Sheryl Sandberg. In addition to serving as the COO of Facebook, Sheryl is a renowned thought leader on life and the workplace. Our conversation explored the nuances of…
Dr. Atul Gawande
Oct 2, 2017 • 46 min
I often remind my clients that we’re not always dealing with life and death; but I can’t say that as you listen to Dr. Atul Gawande—surgeon, writer, and researcher. Our interview weaves through interesting connections, resulting in how the right kind of…
Lena Waithe
Oct 2, 2017 • 35 min
Where does our belief that we can make a difference in the world come from? What kind of connection with others is necessary to create that difference in a unique way? A conversation with Lena Waithe, the first African-American woman to win an Emmy® for…