The Next System Podcast

The Next System Podcast
Systemic problems demand systemic solutions.

35: The policy approach to mainstream worker ownership
Jun 11 • 47 min
This week we’re looking at building worker ownership in the economy from a policy perspective. We’re joined by Next System Project Policy Associate Peter Gowan, as well as Mo Manklang, Communications Director for the US Federation of Worker Cooperatives.…
34: Designing Our Communities for Justice
May 31 • 48 min
This week we are discussing how to design communities for justice, in particular as communities seek to respond to challenges of climate change, with new projects from transit to infrastructure. Isaiah Poole hosts a panel featuring The Next System…
Social Wealth Funds as Vehicles for Economic Empowerment
May 20 • 44 min
This week, we’re talking about how Social Wealth Funds can play a role in empowering both individuals and communities in the economy. Joining us is member of the Maryland House of Delegates Gabriel Acevero, Vice President at the Insight Center for…
32: How we power down the fossil fuel machine
Apr 1 • 48 min
This week we’re talking about how to confront the fossil fuel industry. To discuss how to contain and curtail the deleterious effects of this tremendously powerful industry, we have three exceptional guests including journalist Kate Aronoff, Oil Change…
31: Participatory budgeting: When government really is by the people
Mar 19 • 53 min
This week we are talking about deepening democracy in our communities through participatory budgeting and participatory decision making more broadly. We’re joined by three great guests: Shari Davis of the Participatory Budgeting Project, Lorian Ngarambe…
30: Financing the Green Transition
Feb 14 • 44 min
This week we are discussing how to finance a transition from an ecologically harmful economy dependent on fossil fuels to a clean economy defined by renewables. We have three great guests tackling perspectives at different levels of service, from…
29: From Private Profits to Public Alternatives
Jan 24 • 43 min
This week we’re talking about public ownership and privatization with three special guests. We are joined by Shahrzad Habibi, research director at In The Public Interest, Thomas Hanna, The Democracy Collaborative’s research director and author of Our…
The Green New Deal and the shift to a new economy
Dec 12, 2018 • 44 min
This week we have a panel discussion detailing the proposed Green New Deal that activists have been mobilizing for recently. We spoke with The Democracy Collaborative’s own Johanna Bozuwa, the Sierra Club’s Anthony Torres, and Sunrise Movement Co-Founder…
When “growing the economy” is not the right answer: Moving to sustainability
Nov 27, 2018 • 47 min
This week we’re joined by Carina Millstone to discuss how to design business for an economic system that is rooted within ecological limits. Millstone is the executive director of Feedback, and her book Frugal Value: Designing Business for a Crowded…
26: What Banks Owe Communities
Nov 12, 2018 • 35 min
Isaiah J. Poole hosts NSP fellow Devin Case-Ruchala in a discussion about the future and yet-to-be-fulfilled potential of a landmark community investment law with John Holdsclaw, senior vice president of corporate affairs at National Cooperative Bank, and…
25: Public Banking Coast to Coast
Nov 2, 2018 • 54 min
This week on the Next System Podcast David Jette from Public Bank LA and Juleon Robinson from Public Bank NYC sit down to discuss the transformative potential of public banks. These institutions aim to hold finance publicly accountable, directing credit…
24: The Antidote to the Amazon Economy
Sep 21, 2018 • 41 min
This week Stacy Mitchell, Co-Director of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance (ILSR) and Director of ILSR’s Community-Scaled Economy initiative, joins Adam Simpson and special co-host Katie Parker to discuss locally-minded economics and what effects they…
Episode 23: Community Control of Land and Housing (W/ Jarrid Green)
Aug 29, 2018 • 39 min
The Democracy Collaborative’s Senior Research Fellow, Jarrid Green, joins the Next System Podcast to discuss his new report on community control of land and housing, which includes a discussion of actionable policies that cities can take to halt…
22: The Preston Model for Economic Revival
Jul 24, 2018 • 37 min
Councillor Matthew Brown, head of the Preston City Council, sits down with the Next System Project to discuss his the strategy that Preston is pursuing to build community wealth as a path to economic development.
21: Worker Cooperatives & System Change (W/ Esteban Kelly)
Jun 19, 2018 • 49 min
This week Esteban Kelly of the United States Federation of Worker Cooperatives joins us to talk about his experience with cooperatives and his perspective on how they fit into a movement for systemic change. Subscribe to the Next System Podcast via…
20: Towards the Inclusive Workers’ Movement of the Future (W/ Dorian Warren)
Apr 16, 2018 • 51 min
This week, we speak with Dr. Dorian Warren about a wide range of subjects, from the persistent importance of unions and solidarity, to transformative electoral politics and guaranteed income schemes. In addition to serving as the President of the Center…
19: Extraction & Resilience in Appalachia (W/ Elizabeth Catte)
Mar 26, 2018 • 41 min
This week we’re talking with Elizabeth Catte, author of What You Are Getting Wrong About Appalachia. The book focuses on how narratives have been constructed to explain the region’s poverty and how those narratives fail to serve Appalachia’s people.…
18: The New Abolitionism & Monetary Freedom (W/ Delman Coates)
Mar 12, 2018 • 39 min
On this episode of the Next System Podcast, Rev. Dr. Delman Coates discusses “The New Abolitionism: The Campaign for Monetary Freedom,” a program that seeks to empower people with knowledge about the monetary system and how it could be used to promote the…
17: Social Transformation Through ‘The Commons’ (W/ David Bollier)
Feb 26, 2018 • 35 min
David Bollier joins us this week to discuss “the commons” and what such a concept means for social transformation. You can read more about David’s ideas in his paper for the Next Systems: Models and Possibilities series, and also read more of his work at…
16: “Resist & Build”: Discussing the Solidarity Economy (W/ Emily Kawano)
Feb 12, 2018 • 48 min
Emily Kawano, coordinator of the US Solidarity Network, Intercontinental Network for the Promotion of the Social Solidarity Economy (RIPESS), and co-director of the Wellspring Cooperative in Springfield, Massachusettes, joins us to discuss her work on the…
15: How Communities Can Take Control of Their Police (W/ Max Rameau)
Jan 17, 2018 • 42 min
This week on the Next System Podcast, Adam talks with Max Rameau about his article “Community Control of Police: A Proposal,” part of the Prisons and Policing: Systemic Challenges & Alternative Visions collection at Transcripts of all…
14: The Job Guarantee & Social Justice (W/ Pavlina Tcherneva)
Dec 20, 2017 • 38 min
This week Adam is joined by the Next System Project’s Research Associate Cecilia Gingerich to interview Pavlina Tcherneva about the transformative potential of a federal job guarantee. Pavlina is an Associate Professor and Chair of the Department of…
13: Building A Caring Majority (W/ Sarita Gupta)
Dec 6, 2017 • 35 min
This week Sarita Gupta sits down to discuss her work on Caring Across Generations. Sarita is the executive director of Jobs With Justice and the co-director of Caring Across Generations. Transcripts of all episodes are available at…
12: Black Power Vs. Black Capitalism (W/ Nishani Frazier)
Nov 29, 2017 • 52 min
This week Nishani Frazier sits down to discuss her book Harambee City: The Congress of Racial Equality and the Rise of Black Power Populism. Nishani is a fellow at The Democracy Collaborative and an Associate Professor at Miami University of Ohio. You can…
11: The Transformative Potential of Public Ownership (W/ Andrew Cumbers)
Nov 15, 2017 • 40 min
This week on the Next System Podcast, Dr. Andrew Cumbers sits down to discuss his work on public ownership and how such paradigms can pave the way for democratic controls over the economy. The Democracy Collaborative’s Director of Research, Thomas Hanna,…
10.2: The Pluralist Commonwealth (W/ Gar Alperovitz)
Nov 9, 2017 • 43 min
In the second of a two-part interview, Next System Project Co-Chair Gar Alperovitz talks about ‘what comes next’ after our current corporate capitalist system: the Pluralist Commonwealth. Be sure to listen to the first episode, in which Gar discusses his…
10.1: System Change, Past & Present (W/ Gar Alperovitz)
Nov 2, 2017 • 48 min
In the first of a two-part interview, The Next System Project’s Co-Chair Gar Alperovitz describes his journey toward system change and what is myriad experiences tell him about our present political and economic circumstances. In part-two, scheduled for…
9: Energizing Democracy By Democratizing Energy (W/ Denise Fairchild)
Oct 25, 2017 • 41 min
This week Johanna Bozuwa joins host Adam Simpson to discuss energy democracy with Dr. Denise Fairchild, the President & CEO of Emerald Cities Collaborative. Denise is the co-author of a new anthology, with Al Weinrub, entitled Energy Democracy: Advancing…
8: The Next System of Media W/ Laura Flanders
Oct 17, 2017 • 33 min
This week, Adam is joined by Laura Flanders to discuss her latest paper for the Next System Project on the “urgent necessity” of Next System Media. You can read Laura’s paper in full here:…
7: Why Climate Change Necessitates System Change W/ Gus Speth
Sep 27, 2017 • 37 min
Next System Project Co-Chair Gus Speth joins the Next System Podcast to discuss his experience with the environmental movement and how that led him to the work on systemic change that he pursues today. Subscribe to the Next System Podcast via iTunes,…
6: Capital Bias vs. Generative Design W/ Marjorie Kelly
Sep 19, 2017 • 40 min
This week, Adam sits down with Marjorie Kelly to find out why she believes that worker ownership is fundamental to building a new economy and detail a new initiative to begin realizing that vision. Full Transcript available online at:…
5: Toward Climate Justice w/ Jacqueline Patterson & Basav Sen
Sep 13, 2017 • 44 min
This week, Adam sits down with Jacqueline Patterson, the Director of the NAACP’s Climate Justice Program, and Basav Sen, the Climate Justice Project Director at the Institute for Policy Studies to discuss the intersection of ongoing environmental crises…
4: Discussing the Racial Wealth Gap & the Job Guarantee (W/ Darrick Hamilton)
Sep 5, 2017 • 41 min
This week on the Next System Podcast, Adam sits does with Darrick Hamilton to discuss his work on the racial wealth gap in the United States, as well as Hamilton’s proposal for a federal job guarantee program. This episode touches on economic planning,…
3: Carbon tax & Social Dividends w/ Jeremiah Lowery & Camila Thorndike
Aug 30, 2017 • 43 min
The Next System Podcast discusses a carbon tax & dividend policy with the Chesapeake Climate Action Network.
2: Kate Raworth on “Doughnut Economics”
Aug 22, 2017 • 39 min
This week on The Next System Podcast. Adam talks with Kate Raworth about her Doughnut Economics model. The pair discuss economic justice, unpaid labor, the commons, and much more. You can learn more about Doughnut Economics at Kate’s website or purchase…
1: Gar Alperovitz & Gus Speth on the Next System
Aug 14, 2017 • 26 min
In the debut episode of the Next System Podcast, host Adam Simpson sits down with the co-chairs of the Next System Project, Gar Alperovitz and Gus Speth. The co-chairs discuss what NSP means to them in the context of the unique historical moment that the…
Next System Podcast Intro
Aug 2, 2017 • 1 min
This music was taken from the song “You Won’t Believe What Happens Next” by artist Tiny Robots. It is available under a Creative Commons license and found at the Free Music Archive.