a podcast at the intersection of Christianity & mental health.
59 - You Know Your Enneagram Type, Now What? (feat. Chris Heuertz)
Dec 11 • 56 min
Ok, ok, so you’ve given in to your friend who won’t stop talking about it and tried your best to figure out what Enneagram type you are. Where do you go from there? Chris Heuertz (author of The Sacred Enneagram) comes by to explain how that information…
58 - Religious Coping Skills: Good, Bad, or Both? (feat. Dr. Kenneth Pargament)
Dec 3 • 56 min
How do our religious & spiritual beliefs factor into how we cope with hard times in our lives? Dr. Kenneth Pargament (author of The Psychology of Religion and Coping) comes by the show to talk to us about his work in exactly that area. We talk about…
57 - Why We Need Better Sleep (& How to Get It) (feat. Dr. Michael Scullin)
Nov 19 • 79 min
Hey, how’re you feeling today? Tired? Us too. This week, we’re joined by Dr. Michael Scullin (an expert in the connection between sleep & cognition) to talk about getting good sleep and how we’re not getting it. We talk about how lack of sleep impacts…
56 - Centering Prayer, Solitude, Stillness, & Mindful Silence (feat. Phileena Heuertz)
Nov 12 • 45 min
Our good friend Phileena Heuertz is back with a new book, Mindful Silence! She joins us to talk about centering prayer and the role that things like solitude, silence, and stillness play in our callings to social action.
55 - CBT for Christians (feat. Dr. Michelle Pearce)
Nov 5 • 51 min
How are thoughts, emotions, and behaviors connected? What can we do about that? Can CBT be integrated with spiritual & religious beliefs? This week’s guest, Dr. Michelle Pearce, drops by to chat with us about all of this. She talks us through the basics…
54 - Sexual Abuse by Faith Leaders (feat. Dr. David Pooler)
Oct 29 • 57 min
In this important episode, we talk with Dr. David Pooler, who has done extensive research talking with survivors of sexual abuse perpetrated by faith leaders. Dr. Pooler talks us through the survivors’ experiences within their churches (largely bad), as…
53 - Catching Your Breath (feat. Steve Austin)
Oct 22 • 57 min
He’s baaaaaack! Steve Austin is back, and boy is this episode no fun at all. He chats with us about his new book, the power of saying no, and how to slow down. (Just a heads up, Robert had a long time to stock up fake names to call Steve.)
52 - Online Advocacy, Self-Care, & Beauty (feat. Dr. Meredith Gould)
Oct 15 • 71 min
In this jam-packed episode, we talk with Dr. Meredith Gould about being an activist online, balancing that with self-care, and topics like art & beauty. Dr. Gould is a sociologist, activist, artist, and tons more. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about…
51 - Pilgrimage of a Soul (feat. Phileena Heuertz)
Oct 9 • 48 min
This week, we’re joined by Phileena Heuertz, co-founder of Gravity: A Center for Contemplative Activism, and author of Pilgrimage of a Soul: Contemplative Spirituality for the Active Life. In this episode, Phileena talks with us about her first book (one…
50 - Preaching About Mental Health (feat. Mary Alice Birdwhistell)
Oct 1 • 52 min
This week, we’re joined by Waco-area pastor Mary Alice Birdwhistell to talk about preaching on mental health. Why is it important? How can pastors do it well? Can we get Mary Alice to read us an entire sermon she’s written? We get answers to all of these…
49 - College Students & Creating Supportive Communities (feat. Dr. Gary Glass)
Sep 24 • 56 min
✏️‍‍ This week, we’re joined by Dr. Gary Glass to talk about college & university students’ mental health. We talk about current trends on college campuses, harmful paradigms impacting our students, and how various people (faculty, campus ministries,…
48 - How Does Nutrition Impact Our Mental Health? (feat. Dr. Leslie Korn)
Sep 17 • 56 min
Who’s hungry? In this episode, we get to talk with Dr. Leslie Korn, an expert on how nutrition impacts our mental health. We talk about the gut as the ‘second brain,’ what foods are good for depression, anxiety, focus, sleeping, etc., and how to start…
47 - How To Find Affordable Counseling (feat. Dr. Kevin Tarlow)
Sep 10 • 47 min
This week, we get into the interviews for Season 3 by addressing one of the most common questions we hear: how do you find affordable mental healthcare? Joining us is Dr. Kevin Tarlow, the founder of
46 - The Heartbeat & History of CXMH (feat. Robert Vore)
Sep 5 • 47 min
This one’s getting a little meta, folks. When Holly first agreed to be the new cohost for CXMH (listen to her intro here), she asked if I would be willing to do an episode where she interviewed me about my vision for the show and how it came to be. I was…
Introducing Dr. Holly Oxhandler!
Sep 3 • 31 min
Welcome to Season 3! We’re so excited to announce our new co-host, Dr. Holly Oxhandler! Holly’s been both a guest and a guest host before, and is a professor of social work at Baylor University. In this special episode, we get to know Holly and why she’s…
45 - Learning to Speak God from Scratch (feat. Jonathan Merritt)
Aug 13 • 50 min
Surprise! We’re still on summer break, but we’re popping in with this episode. I get the chance to talk to award-winning author Jonathan Merritt about why people are using sacred language less, why that matters, and what we can do about it. We’ll see you…
Summer Break 2018!
Jul 2 • 14 min
It’s summertime! Like last year, I’ll be taking the summer off from the show. In this short episode, I talk a little bit about the reasonings behind that, as well as give you some recommendations of things to read and listen to over the next few months!
Recast - [Men]tal Health (feat. Nate Pyle & Dr. Bart Andrews)
Jun 25 • 55 min
June is Men’s Health Month, so this week I’m rebroadcasting an episode we did about exactly that! Dr. Bart Andrews & pastor/author Nate Pyle join us to talk about all things related to men’s mental health. Check out more info below, along with original…
Recast - Suicide Prevention (feat. Dr. Jonathan Singer & Dr. Sherry Molock)
Jun 11 • 57 min
Folks, it’s been a tough week. The deaths of Kate Spade and Anthony Bourdain by suicide filled the headlines, and the CDC released a new report that suicide rates have been rising across the United States. As a result, I wanted to rebroadcast this episode…
44 - The Very Worst Missionary (feat. Jamie Wright)
Jun 4 • 43 min
Heads up: this one’s got some language. Everyone’s favorite bad missionary, Jamie Wright, stops by to talk about her new book, the problems with missions, and how her self-worth and mental health impacted her over the years.
43 - Being Here, Building Community, & The Bachelor (feat. Hannah Brencher)
May 28 • 51 min
Happy Memorial Day! (go to counseling.) This week, Robert’s back as your host to talk with Hannah Brencher, who you might remember from episode 14. Hannah talks about her latest book, the power of being here in a ‘getting there’ world, and how much her…
42 - Everyday Grief & Learning to Feel Feelings (feat. Aundi Kolber)
May 21 • 30 min
This week, our guest host is trauma therapist Aundi Kolber! She talks about how grief is the bedrock of mental health, why smaller traumas & losses are still so important, what it means to really feel our feelings, and how learning how to respond honestly…
41 - Putting the Revolution Back In Racial Reconciliation (feat. Austin Channing Brown)
May 14 • 46 min
We’re taking a break from guest hosts this week (a break from a break? I don’t know, roll with me) to talk with Austin Channing Brown. Austin’s new book I’m Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness is phenomenal, and we talk about a lot of…
40 - Stigma Reduction in the Church (feat. Kristen Kansiewicz)
May 7 • 34 min
We’re gonna keep it rolling with guest hosts: this week we’re visited by Kristen Kansiewicz, a counselor who works in the church setting and writes extensively about the topics of integrating faith & mental health. Kristen talks about different types of…
39 - The Enneagram & Communities (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler & Dr. Jon Singletary)
Apr 30 • 37 min
Did you like last week’s episode? Then you’re in luck! Dr. Holly Oxhandler returns as this week’s guest host, sitting down with Dr. Jon Singletary again to talk about the Enneagram some more. This week, they talk about how the Enneagram can be applied to…
38 - The Enneagram & Our Faith Journey (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler & Dr. Jon Singletary)
Apr 23 • 47 min
Great news! Robert’s out on podternity leave, so Dr. Holly Oxhandler is this week’s guest host. She sits down with Dr. Jon Singletary to talk about the Enneagram in part one of a two-week series. This week, they talk about how the Enneagram helps you…
37 - Diagnosing Darth Vader (feat. Dr. Katie Gordon & Brandon Saxton)
Apr 16 • 41 min
Have you ever wondered what would happen if your favorite fictional characters visited a mental health professional? Have no fear, Jedi Counsel is here! Dr. Katie Gordon & Brandon Saxton host a podcast that explores mental health in your favorite…
36 - Dropping the Mask (feat. Carlos Rodríguez)
Apr 9 • 37 min
This week, I talk with Carlos Rodríguez. Carlos is an author, non-profit activist, former pastor, and founder of Happy Sonship. We talk about hiding behind masks, using theology to avoid working on ourselves, and Carlos shares his story of finding a more…
35 - Perfectionism (feat. Sharon Martin)
Mar 26 • 37 min
This week, I chat with LCSW and author, Sharon Martin. We talk all about perfectionism, how it impacts our interpersonal relationships, ways to show ourselves more compassion, and more!
34 - Self-Image, Parenting, & Learning to Love Ourselves As We Are (feat. Hillary McBride)
Mar 19 • 45 min
This week I talk with therapist, author, & new co-host of The Liturgists, Hillary McBride. We talk about self-image, creating a new narrative for ourselves and the generations after us, how parenting just needs to be ‘good enough’, and tons more.
33 - Thanks, The Future, & Rudy Caseres
Mar 2 • 40 min
This week, I spend some time thanking people who help made CXMH possible recently and than talking about what’s coming up for CXMH! After that, I talk with Rudy Caseres, an award-winning writer, speaker, & mental health advocate. He shares about his…
32 - Trauma, Attachment, & Creating Safety (feat. Aundi Kolber)
Feb 26 • 59 min
This week, I talk with Aundi Kolber, a trauma-informed therapist and writer. We talk about mental health work as social justice, various types of trauma, attachment, and the importance of creating safety in our communities.
Recast - Mental Illness & Violence (feat. Gabe Howard)
Feb 19 • 40 min
I know, ‘recast’ may or may not be a real word. In the wake of the Parkland shooting, I’ve once again seen countless comments online & from public officials placing most of the blame on mental illness. In response, I thought it was important to…
31 - Does It Matter If Your Therapist Is Christian? (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler)
Feb 13 • 49 min
This week, I talk with Dr. Holly Oxhandler, the Associate Dean for Research and Faculty Development and an Assistant Professor at Baylor University’s Diana R. Garland School of Social Work. Holly studies religion/spirituality, health and mental health,…
30 - Family, Church, & Mental Illness (feat. Amy Simpson)
Feb 5 • 49 min
This week, I talk with life & leadership coach, author, & speaker Amy Simpson. We talk extensively about Amy’s book Troubled Minds: Mental Illness & The Church’s Mission, and we talk a lot about her experiences growing up with her father as a pastor and…
29 - Why Don’t People Get Treatment? (& How Can We Help?) (feat. Dr. David Susman)
Jan 29 • 66 min
This one’s got it all! I talk with Dr. David Susman, a clinical psychologist, blogger, and award-winning mental health advocate, and he has a lot to offer! Based on Dr. Susman’s most popular posts, we talk about the most common reasons people don’t get…
28 - Faith & Mental Wellness (feat. Brittney Moses)
Jan 22 • 62 min
This week, Steve hijacks the show! He talks with Brittney Moses, a clinical Psychology student, app developer, and writer at the intersection of faith & mental health. She has some amazing things to say and share with us. Also, apparently Steve’s inner…
27 - From Weakness to Strength (feat. Scott Sauls)
Jan 15 • 54 min
This week, we’re joined by pastor, blogger, and author Scott Sauls to talk about his new book, From Weakness to Strength: 8 Vulnerabilities That Can Bring Out the Best In Your Leadership. We talk about topics like ambition, isolation, criticism, envy,…
26 - Seasonal Affective Disorder & Perfectly Hidden Depression (feat. Dr. Margaret Rutherford)
Jan 8 • 43 min
This is a jam-packed one, folks. This week, I’m joined by Dr. Margaret Rutherford: author, podcast host, blogger, and psychotherapist. We cover a ton of topics including Seasonal Affective Disorder, Perfectly Hidden Depression, perfectionism, and more!
Farewell, 2017.
Dec 29, 2017 • 14 min
It’s the time of year to pause and reflect, so we take some time to think back on the show so far and what we’ve done in 2017. Also, Steve makes a big announcement.
25 - Race, Faith, & Mental Health (feat. Dr. Sherry Molock & Dr. Amber Thornton)
Dec 4, 2017 • 58 min
Whoa. This week, we learn a lot. We’re joined by Dr. Sherry Molock and Dr. Amber Thornton to talk about the intersection of race, faith, & mental health. They share their personal & professional experiences, talk about the different ways we see mental…
24 - Speaking of Suicide (feat. Dr. Stacey Freedenthal)
Nov 27, 2017 • 43 min
This week, we’re joined by Dr. Stacey Freedenthal, a psychotherapist and social work professor who specializes in Suicidology. Dr. Freedenthal talks about why suicide is such an important area to learn about as well as offering some advice on helping…
Bonus! A Different View on Thanksgiving (feat. Kaitlin Curtice)
Nov 21, 2017 • 8 min
This Thanksgiving, it seems more important than ever to help share other voices than our own. Our friend Kaitlin Curtice is a Native American Christian writing, speaker, worship leader, and author of the new book Glory Happening: Finding the Divine in…
23 - Mental Illness & Violence (feat. Gabe Howard)
Nov 13, 2017 • 45 min
This week, we’re joined by Gabe Howard (who you might remember from episode 6 on Bipolar Disorder) to discuss the link between violence and mental illness, if there is one, and how we can react well when people make comments like the ones above.
22 - Are The Tides Turning? (feat. Kristen Kansiewicz)
Oct 25, 2017 • 38 min
Topical! This week, we’re joined by Kristen Kansiewicz to address a topic that’s been on Robert’s mind the past few days: are we really moving forward as a church on mental health? Kristen is a licensed counselor on staff at a church and has some good…
21 - Emotions Aren’t Evil (feat. Marc Alan Schelske)
Oct 16, 2017 • 57 min
This week, I talk to Marc Alan Schelske, author of the new book The Wisdom of Your Heart: Discovering the God-Given Purpose and Power of Your Emotions. We talk about the theological misunderstanding that emotions are always bad, how our story impacts our…
Bonus! Suicide Prevention Resources
Oct 1, 2017 • 20 min
20 - The Light Is Winning (feat. Zach Hoag)
Sep 25, 2017 • 45 min
This week, Zach Hoag stops by to talk about his new book, The Light Is Winning: Why Religion Might Just Bring Us Back To Life. Also, Steve makes some pretty rude comments about movies.
19 - “There are parts of me that will never be completely healed.” (feat. Kay Warren)
Sep 10, 2017 • 53 min
It’s National Suicide Prevention Day, so we’re releasing this episode on Sunday. Also: holy cow. We talk with Kay Warren, and it’s phenomenal. She shares a lot of her story with us including molestation, trauma, losing a son to suicide, working in…
18 - Depression & Dementors (feat. Jason Chesnut)
Sep 4, 2017 • 45 min
We’re kicking off Season 2 strong! In the intro, we talk about internet trolls and get into a fight about college football. Then we’re joined by Jason Chesnut, co-founder of The Slate Project and ordained ELCA pastor to talk about his depression,…
Welcome Back!
Aug 21, 2017 • 19 min
We’re back! After a long summer break, we’re ready for Season 2 of CXMH with more fake names, unrequested singing, witty banter, and of course: amazing guests who join us to talk about faith and mental health. This is just a welcome back episode though,…
Summer Break!
Jun 12, 2017 • 17 min
In this short episode, Robert & Steve reflect on the episodes so far, what they’ve learned, and Robert switches halfway through this sentence to writing the rest of the description in the first person. We also give some sneak peeks at what we’re planning…
17 - Grief & Loss (feat. John Pavlovitz & Dr. Elizabeth Horn)
Jun 5, 2017 • 51 min
We’re joined this week by blogger & pastor John Pavlovitz and grief counselor Dr. Elizabeth Horn to talk about grief & loss. Are the stages of grief nonsense? What should we say to those who’ve experienced loss? Can we grieve things other than loved ones…
16 - Prayer & Meditation (feat. Rev. Ed Bacon)
May 22, 2017 • 51 min
This week, the Reverend Ed Bacon comes on the show to talk about prayer & meditation, as well as living in the house of Love vs. the house of fear.
15 - Suicide Prevention (feat. Dr. Jonathan Singer & Dr. Sherry Molock)
May 15, 2017 • 55 min
This week, we have two Doctors in the house! Dr. Jonathan Singer (host of The Social Work Podcast) and Dr. Sherry Molock join us to talk about suicide prevention in the context of churches, ministries, or other faith communities.
P.S. ‘13 Thoughts on Mental Health’ by Hannah Brencher
May 10, 2017 • 660 min
Hannah Brencher reading her piece ‘13 Thoughts on Mental Health.’
14 - God Works Through People (feat. Hannah Brencher)
May 8, 2017 • 60 min
Hannah Brencher is the author of If You Find This Letter, as well as a TED speaker and founder of More Love Letters. She was named as one of the White House’s Women Working to Do Good and has been featured in a plethora of publications. She joins us this…
13 - Healing Church Hurts (feat. Stephen Mansfield)
May 1, 2017 • 53 min
This week, we talk with Stephen Mansfield about how to heal church hurts and why it’s important that we stay involved in the church even when people hurt us.
12 - Non-Suicidal Self-Injury (feat. Dr. Janis Whitlock)
Apr 24, 2017 • 48 min
What is non-suicidal self-injury? Dr. Janis Whitlock joins us to talk about NSSI, how it functions with the brain, how to help those who may be self-injuring, and more.
Liturgy of the Forsaken: Good Friday 2017
Apr 14, 2017 • 62 min
In this special Good Friday episode of CXMH, we stand in the tension of the days between crucifixion and resurrection, recognizing the parts of our stories that have yet to resolve. Rather than having a normal conversation, we invited our friends to share…
11 - The Shack & Lies We Believe About God: Part 2 (feat. William Paul Young)
Apr 10, 2017 • 71 min
Paul Young is back! We get an update on The Shack movie and discuss more about Lies We Believe About God. We also ask listener-submitted questions!
10 - Counselors on Church Staff? (feat. Kristen Kansiewicz)
Apr 3, 2017 • 56 min
Should churches hire counselors on staff? How would that even work? Is it allowed? Kristen Kansiewicz joins us to discuss these topics and more!
In Memory of Amy Bleuel
Mar 31, 2017 • 7 min
9 - Heresy & Bad Theology (feat. Jon Scott)
Mar 27, 2017 • 61 min
Jon Scott is one of the hosts of the Holy Heretics podcast, as well as an award-winning singer/songwriter. Jon joins us this week to talk about being a self-proclaimed ‘heretic,’ what bad theology looks like, and how it impacts our mental well-being.
8 - (Men)tal Health (feat. Nate Pyle & Dr. Bart Andrews)
Mar 20, 2017 • 59 min
Nate Pyle & Dr. Bart Andrews join us to talk about the challenges men face in getting help for mental illness, how culture (& church culture) impacts that, and more.
7 - Where We’ve Been (feat. Dr. Heather Vacek)
Mar 13, 2017 • 57 min
We’re very confused about what day it is during the intro to this episode, which kind of works, because we do a bit of time-traveling this week. Back in episode 1, we looked at the church’s current view towards mental illness. But where did those views…
6 - Bipolar Disorder (feat. Gabe Howard & Nate Crawford)
Mar 6, 2017 • 54 min
We have two phenomenal guests this week: Gabe Howard is host of the Psych Central Show and diagnosed with Bipolar I. Nate Crawford is founder of Here/Hear and is diagnosed with Bipolar II. They give us insight into what life is like with Bipolar Disorder,…
5 - The Shack & Lies We Believe About God (feat. William Paul Young)
Feb 27, 2017 • 62 min
William Paul Young (author of The Shack) joins us to talk about the upcoming movie adaptation (out this week!), his life story, and his newest book Lies We Believe About God.
Bonus! We Love Self-Care!
Feb 22, 2017 • 18 min
There’s no guest, so you’re stuck with just us! In this bonus episode, we talk about self-care: what it is, why it’s important (and biblical), and some practical tips. We also share a suuuuuuuper inspirational Bible story at the end, so make sure to check…
4 - Keeping Faith in Suffering (feat. Jason Micheli)
Feb 20, 2017 • 54 min
Pastor Jason Micheli visits the show to talk about his journey with a rare type of bone cancer and his new book, Cancer Is Funny: Keeping Faith in Stage-Serious Chemo. We talk about suffering, joy, prayer, and what’s helpful when you’re going through…
Bonus! This Is What Anxiety Feels Like (feat. Sarah Fader)
Feb 15, 2017 • 18 min
Our dear friend Sarah Fader (founder & CEO of Stigma Fighters) stops by to talk about the hashtag #ThisIsWhatAnxietyFeelsLike, which went from nothing to trending on Twitter in a matter of hours.
3 - Brain Injuries, Neurotheology, & Trump (feat. Mike McHargue)
Feb 13, 2017 • 64 min
The one and only Science Mike joins us to talk about brain injuries and neurotheology. (Oh, and we ask him about the effects of having Donald Trump as a president.)
P.S. ‘Why Do I Write About Mental Illness?’ by Aaron J. Smith
Feb 6, 2017 • 5 min
Aaron J. Smith reads his piece ‘Why Do I Write About Mental Illness?’
2 - Storytime (feat. Sarah Fader & Sarah Schuster)
Jan 30, 2017 • 62 min
This week: Steve Austin accepts the role of co-host! We’re also joined by Sarah Fader (founder and CEO of Stigma Fighters) and Sarah Schuster (editor of Mental Health on The Mighty) to talk about sharing your story and how that helps you and others,…
P.S. ‘What If The Prodigal Son Had Xanax?’ by Steve Austin
Jan 23, 2017 • 6 min
Steve Austin reading his piece ‘What If the Prodigal Son Had Xanax?’
1 - Where We Are (feat. Scott McConnell)
Jan 16, 2017 • 44 min
Guest Scott McConnell (Executive Director of LifeWay Research) joins us to discuss the church’s current views towards mental health and where we need to improve.
0 - Introduction
Dec 20, 2016 • 12 min
There’s not really any show notes for this, it’s your basic introduction to what CXMH will look like, what to expect, etc.