Upside Down Podcast

Upside Down Podcast
Upside Down Podcast is an ecumenical podcast at the intersection of justice, spirituality, and culture. Join us for conversations about God’s Upside Down Kingdom. No topic is off limits. Upside Down Podcast is a collaborative Christian podcast co-found?

Season 4 | Episode 72 - We’re Not Going Back to Normal: Who Will We Be When This is Over?
May 26 • 62 min
This global pandemic has only magnified the fractures in our systems — and even in our own hearts. In our final episode of season four, we’re asking this question: How do we not go back to the way things were before COVID-19?
71: Native with Kaitlin Curtice
May 11 • 37 min
Kaitlin Curtice joins Lindsy and Kayla with a conversation that is both a gentle challenge and a balm of encouragement. Kaitlin is a citizen of the Potawatomi Nation, a Christian, and a poet who speaks on faith and justice within the church as it relates…
70: Be the Bridge with Latasha Morrison
Apr 27 • 66 min
Join host Kayla Craig with co-host Alissa Molina as they welcome Latasha Morrison. Tasha is a speaker, author, reconciler, bridge-builder, and leader, committed to educating people on cultural intelligence and racial literacy.
69 - Maternal Justice with Cessilye Smith
Apr 13 • 64 min
Join host Alissa Molina and co-host Lindsy Wallace as we no longer only follow along with the work of Cessilye Smith, but have the opportunity to sit and learn from her. Her work in the areas of maternal health and justice are powerful
68: Church Beyond Walls: Loving Our Neighbor in Times of COVID-19 with Rev. Anna Woofenden
Mar 17 • 45 min
Join us as we consider ways to spiritually connect in these days. May we be people who lean into the uncertainty, and increase church, even as we cease in-person gatherings.
67 - Turning Modesty Inside Out: Unpacking What it Means to be Modest
Mar 9 • 51 min
What does it mean to be modest? Are modesty and purity the same thing? In this episode, Alissa, Gina, Kayla, and Lindsy candidly discuss the topic of modesty in our culture through the lens of God’s upside-down kingdom.
66 - Fullness of Our Humanity with Sister Didi: Increasing Capacity for Care
Feb 24 • 41 min
Join us as we explore the fullness of our humanity: the good, the bad, and how to hold space for each other. Didi Madden, a Dominican Sister, leads us in this ecumenical conversation.
65 - Anger Management
Feb 10 • 50 min
Is anger all bad? What’s the difference between healthy, constructive anger and unhealthy, destructive anger? In this episode, Kayla Craig leads a vulnerable discussion about anger, emotions, and faith with Lindsy Wallace, Alissa Molina, and Gina…
64 - Embodied Solidarity
Jan 27 • 53 min
Join us as we explore how to not only be FOR others but also WITH them. Dr. Larycia Hawkins talks about her experience when, in 2015, she declared her intention to don a hijab in embodied solidarity with Muslim sisters throughout Advent and what…
63 - It’s Complicated
Jan 14 • 46 min
Join us as we acknowledge the privilege of embracing the complicated pieces of our own worlds while working to balance this with the compassionate love we can offer back to those around us.
62 - The Gender & Ethnicity of God with Dr. Christena Cleveland
Dec 16, 2019 • 50 min
Join us as we talk with Dr. Christena Cleveland about her work as a public theologian studying cultural perceptions of race, gender, and the Divine.
61 - Kinship at the Border
Nov 26, 2019 • 48 min
Join us as we embrace our shared humanity and learn more about the intricacies surrounding the US/Mexico border and our immigration system.
60 - Let’s Get Ecumenical! Catholic & Protestant Thought in God’s Kingdom (New Audio!)
Nov 12, 2019 • 60 min
Join us as we explore how to develop deeper understandings between our Protestant and Catholic sisters and brothers. Alissa Molina hosts an intimate and honest ecumenical conversation with co-hosts Kayla Craig, Gina Ciliberto, and Lindsy Wallace. We’re…
58 - Good Grief: Leaning into the Now and Not Yet
Oct 8, 2019 • 63 min
Join us as we walk through what it means to grieve as faith-based believers. May we be people who are eternally hopeful and lean into the Kingdom of here and not yet as we sit in our lamentations and in the unknowing, and to allow our neighbors the same…
57 - The Enneagram for Justice Seekers
Sep 23, 2019 • 58 min
Join us as we seek out the ways in which the Enneagram is a helpful tool in seeking justice. May we be people who are outwardly focused and are able to enter into self-clarity to offer resourcefulness for our neighbors.
56 - Performative Wokeness (and Introducing Season 4!)
Sep 9, 2019 • 54 min
Join us as we unpack wokeness and how it plays out on social media and IRL. May we be people who are willing to be awakened to the systematic oppression of image-bearers and allow it to cost us our sleep.
55 - Beating Guns: From Swords to Plowshares with Shane Claiborne and Mike Martin
Jun 4, 2019 • 49 min
Join us as we explore hope for people who are wary of violence. May we be people who love our enemies by working towards freedom to live unarmed and fearless, refusing to fight violence on its own terms.
54: Hope as Resistance: Stuff That Needs to Be Said with John Pavlovitz
May 14, 2019 • 45 min
Join us as we explore hope as resistance, pulling those threads to see how it looks like in our actual lives. Pastor, author, and activist John Pavlovitz joins Kayla, Lindsy, Alissa, and Gina.
53 - Hashtag Called: Exploring Calling and Vocation
Apr 23, 2019 • 46 min
You can’t fully explain it. But we’ve all experienced the phenomenon: Inner tugs that just won’t let us go. What are “callings?” How do we define “vocation?” Gina Ciliberto hosts a conversation on what it means to be “called” with co-hosts Alissa Molina,…
52 - Livin’ on a Prayer: A Creative Take on What it Means to Pray
Apr 9, 2019 • 69 min
We talk about praying when you don’t want to pray or don’t know how, being angry at God, creation as a form of prayer, and why prayer is an important part of God’s upside-down Kingdom. Scott Erickson and Justin McRoberts, authors of Prayer: 40 Days of…
51 - The “F” Word: Unpacking Feminism and Other Labels
Mar 25, 2019 • 57 min
Join us as we welcome Claire, host of The Catholic Feminist Podcast, and explore what it means to be a feminist, diving into what labels we claim and the good and bad that comes from claiming labels for ourselves and ascribing them to others.
50 - Begin Again: Examining Our Stories & Introducing New Co-Hosts!
Mar 11, 2019 • 60 min
What happens when your plans gets turned upside down? What happens when you have to begin again? This two-part episode starts on a personal note and ends with exciting introductions of TWO new co-hosts! First, Upside Down Podcast founders Kayla and Lindsy…
49 - Ethical Storytelling with Dr. Melissa Borja + Jacob Mau: Seeing Beyond Ourselves
Feb 18, 2019 • 63 min
What is ethical storytelling? Why is it important to allow others to tell their own stories? In this thought-provoking episode, we do a deep dive into what to consider when sharing the stories of others in a way that honoring their dignity. Kayla Craig…
48 - Representation Matters: Diversity in Healing with Ryan Tolbert of Tru-Colour Bandages
Dec 11, 2018 • 46 min
We discuss what representation is, why it matters, our own representation experiences, and how we believe a kinder, more inclusive planet is in our future. Ryan Tolbert of Tru-Colour Bandages joins us.
47 - Consumerism and God’s Kingdom (Featuring Special Guests Shannan Martin and Ashley Hales!)
Nov 27, 2018 • 71 min
We’re hitting pause and engaging the heart of consumption, capitalism, consumerism and most importantly, the heart of Christmas. What does it mean to celebrate the birth of Jesus, a poor kid from Nazareth who learned his father’s trade and had nowhere to…
46 - Father Gregory Boyle Talks Kinship, Compassion, and Hope in Suffering
Nov 12, 2018 • 46 min
Father Gregory Boyle of Homeboy Industries sits down with us to share what three decades of working with gang members in Los Angeles has taught him about faith, compassion and the enduring power of kinship. He generously answers complicated questions…
45 - Love Crosses Borders: Immigration Beyond the Headlines with Sarah Quezada
Oct 22, 2018 • 53 min
Immigration has become a polarizing and politicized topic in our country and our world. Demeaning phrases and overwhelming statistics are thrown around with frightening ease and often it seems we have forgotten that we are talking about people. We’ve…
44 - Faith Under Construction: Recorded Live from the Upside Down Gathering in Chicago!
Oct 8, 2018 • 59 min
Join us as we share our honest experiences inside and outside of the church, reflecting on how our Christian faith has been shaped, molded, broken down, and built up on this long and winding journey with Jesus.
43 - A Spiritual View of Vulnerability with Pastor Mandy Smith
Sep 24, 2018 • 45 min
Pastor Mandy Smith, director of Missio Alliance’s SheLeads Summit: ChurchTogether, joins hosts Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace to examine a spiritual view of vulnerability, finding hope within the prophetic imagination.
42 - Preemptive Love with Jessica Courtney: Love Anyway, Show Up, and Get Out of the Way
Sep 10, 2018 • 46 min
Jessica Courtney, co-founder and Vice President of International Programs for Preemptive Love Coalition, joins Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace to discuss unmaking violence and pursuing a more beautiful world. With heart and humility, Jessica shares her…
Bonus Episode: Community, Art, Justice: A Special Message About The Upside Down Gathering
Jun 21, 2018 • 19 min
We’re gathering in Chicago this fall at the first-ever Upside Down Gathering. Today (June 22) is the last day to purchase your early bird tickets, so Kayla and Lindsy have a quick chat introducing the speaker lineup for the two-day event at Wilson Abbey…
41 - Intentional Community (And an Upside Down Gathering in September!)
May 21, 2018 • 44 min
Join us as we recognize how intentional community with others is pivotal to the upside-down life and we announce that we’re opening the doors to Wilson Abbey in Chicago for the first-ever Upside Down Gathering on Sept 21-22, 2018. Get your tickets at…
40 - Making Peace With Our Bodies
May 8, 2018 • 54 min
Join us as we empower women to make peace with our bodies in a holistic way — and to find holiness in our physicality.
39 - Rethinking Incarceration with Dominique Gilliard
Apr 24, 2018 • 60 min
In this episode, we: Define mass incarceration and discuss its foundation and history in America; Talk about how mass incarceration plays out in our communities and in society; Share how the Gospel should inform our response; and Provide actions that all…
38 - Parenting: Raising Upside Down Kids
Apr 9, 2018 • 56 min
Join us as we discuss concrete ways parenting that transform Kingdom values into everyday adventures of prayer and action.
37 - The Enneagram: Unscripted Conversations on Spirituality, Culture, and God’s Upside Down Kingdom
Mar 26, 2018 • 123 min
We talk all things Enneagram, an ancient tool that has grown in popularity in Christian spheres in recent years. Most people think of the Enneagram as a personality typing system, but may not be familiar with it or how it can influence us in the upside…
36 - Mental Health + The Conversations We Need to Have, Feat. Guest Host and Counselor Aundi Kolber
Mar 13, 2018 • 50 min
Professional counselor Aundi Kolber joins for an open and honest conversation about mental health, and the sometimes precarious relationship between mental health and the Christian community.
35 - Adoption 2.0: Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Feb 27, 2018 • 61 min
As moms from foster care, international adoption, and domestic infant adoption, we give you an honest look into attachment, birth families, trauma, adoption language, and more.
34 - Kingdom Women with Jo Saxton and Pastor Steph: Unscripted Conversations on Life and Faith
Feb 12, 2018 • 52 min
Jo Saxton and Steph Williams O’Brien join us in this episode to discuss what it’s like to be a woman in God’s Kingdom in 2018.
33 - It’s OK to Grow Old: Are We Afraid to Talk About Aging? - Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Jan 23, 2018 • 49 min
Kayla​ ​Craig leads the discussion with​ ​co-host Lindsy Wallace and guest host Corinne Shark​ joins us from SE Asia.
32 - Ethical Fashion: Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Jan 9, 2018 • 51 min
What is ethical fashion? Everything we wear comes at a cost - often at the expense of artisans abroad who are exploited for cheap labor. Guest co-host Lauren Pinkston of Wearthy joins us at the virtual table, providing first-hand insight and practical…
31 - Ask Us Anything: Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Dec 19, 2017 • 49 min
This “Ask Us Anything” episode features questions from listeners on a broad range of serious and silly topics relating to faith and culture.
30 - All The Small Things: Smallness in God’s Kingdom - Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Dec 5, 2017 • 45 min
Bigger doesn’t always (or usually) equal better in God’s Upside Down Kingdom. Here’s why there’s something Holy about smallness in God’s upside down Kingdom.
29 - God & Money: Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Nov 21, 2017 • 45 min
What does God say about finances? What power does money hold in God’s upside down kingdom?
28 - Nationalism: Is it an Idol? Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Nov 6, 2017 • 46 min
Is nationalism an idol in American Christianity? Join us as we wade into murky waters of nationalism and idolatry with special guest host, and Iraq war veteran Diana Oestreich.
27 - Peacemaking: Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Oct 17, 2017 • 54 min
A vibrant, thoughtful conversation where we ask: Is peacemaking different than peacekeeping?
26 - Commitment to Celebration: Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Oct 3, 2017 • 51 min
Is celebration important in God’s Upside Down Kingdom? D.L. Mayfield joins as a special guest host to discuss commitment to celebration.
25 - Spiritual Seasons and Transitions: Unscripted Conversations on Life and Faith
Sep 12, 2017 • 53 min
What are spiritual seasons? How do we process transition? What does change look like in God’s Kingdom? We dive into what it looks like when expectations are dashed, hope is found, and life takes unexpected twists and turns. We dive into practical ways…
24: Gentrification: Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Aug 15, 2017 • 65 min
Gentrification: It’s a topic often misunderstood, and maybe even a bit controversial. We speak with Leroy Barber, one of the few experts on gentrification. Leroy has dedicated nearly thirty years to eradicating poverty, confronting homelessness,…
23 - Downward Mobility: What Is It? Is It Different from Minimalism & Simplicity? Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Jul 11, 2017 • 46 min
What is downward mobility and how is it different from simplicity and minimalism? What is the appeal to living a life with less and is it sufficient for the Christian? In this episode we discuss what it looks like to shed our privilege and also use it…
22 - Social Media in an Upside Down World
Jun 13, 2017 • 49 min
Most of us have a love/hate relationship to social media. We recorded this episode live at our Upside Down Podcast retreat, and in this conversational episode hosted by Kristi James with co-hosts Lindsy Wallace, Shannon Evans, and Kayla Craig, we…
21 - Do We Need Church? Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
May 23, 2017 • 44 min
The church is weird and disappointing. And we love it anyway. Why? Join us for a conversation that almost feels like a family meeting. We acknowledge the shortcomings of the local church, but talk about the importance, too. In some Upside Down Podcast…
20 - Mom So Hard: Mother’s Day Thoughts: Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
May 9, 2017 • 55 min
This one goes out to all the moms! (And all the waiting moms, all the foster moms, all the mom-figures, all the women who bring life to their communities, and all the people who have ever loved a mom!) Pull up a chair and join us for some laughs and…
19 - Immigration: A Conversation Feat. Salem Afangideh, Immigration Attorney & Nigerian Immigrant
Apr 25, 2017 • 46 min
Should Christians care about immigration? Our friend Salem Afangideh, immigration attorney, shares her journey into law and gives perspective into why people of faith should care about issues surrounding immigration. We start learning about executive…
18 - Christians & Suffering: Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Apr 11, 2017 • 46 min
Are we surprised by pain & suffering? In the hardest times, it can feel like hope is out of reach, even for a person of faith. In this honest (but hopeful!) episode, all five co-hosts examine what seasons of sorrow have taught them about Jesus….
17 - We Can’t Do It All (And We Don’t Have to!): Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Mar 29, 2017 • 53 min
Doing it all is a myth: And we’re here to bust it! Often times, we feel the burden to accomplish everything and spin all the plates. In this special episode (which was recorded LIVE and IN PERSON!) we discuss why we don’t have to do it all and how grace…
16 - LIFE: Redemption & Abortion: Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Mar 21, 2017 • 61 min
Join us as we sit down Amber Newberry, who shares her heartbreaking experience of sexual assault and abortion, and how she found redemption in God’s love. (Save this episode for when little ears are not around!) Amber shares how some Christians were…
15 - LIFE: A Comprehensive Pro-Life Ethic: Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Mar 7, 2017 • 51 min
How do we walk in a way that supports life in ALL facets of our messy world? We talk about finding a comprehensive life ethic as we affirm that each person is made in the image of God. We go beyond loaded terms like “pro-life” or “pro-choice” and share…
14 - Education Options: Can it ALL be Upside Down? Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Mar 1, 2017 • 55 min
Homeschool, Christian private schools, public education: Which method do you choose? We had so much left to discuss about education, we recorded a PART 2 to Episode 13. We hope to model what it looks like to have thoughtful conversations with people who…
13 - Education: Public School, Private School, or Homeschool? Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Feb 21, 2017 • 65 min
Education is a BIG topic, so why not dive in? What does it look like to live upside-down in the schooling choices we make for our kids? Our co-hosts represent public school, private school, and homeschool. We chat about how our own education experiences…
12 - Shannon’s Journey to an Upside Down Life: Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Feb 7, 2017 • 38 min
In our FINAL meet-the-host episode, we’re so glad to get to know deep-thinker Shannon Evans. Shannon shares about loneliness, special needs parenting, and what drew her to Catholicism. A former evangelical missionary turned unlikely Catholic, Shannon…
11 -​ ​Lori’s Journey to an Upside Down Life: Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Feb 1, 2017 • 33 min
You’ll laugh and be deeply moved as you get to know co-host Lori Harris, a public school advocate, a student of radical hospitality, and a perpetual plate spinner who believes that the upside down kingdom springs up wild and free when the Church commits…
10 - Kristi’s Journey to an Upside Down Life: Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Jan 25, 2017 • 36 min
We continue our interview series with host Kristi James. Kristi is a work-at-home writer and editor, as well as a church planter’s wife and mom to three little girls. Kristi shares about the time (last year) she fell over trying out some sweet dance…
09 - Kayla’s Journey to an Upside Down Life: Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Jan 17, 2017 • 31 min
Next up in our meet-the-host series is Kayla Craig. Kayla’s a full-time journalist turned work-at-home mom (of four!) and author. In this episode, we laugh about her accidental first date with her now-husband, whom she met in drama class in high school….
08 - Lindsy’s Journey to an Upside Down Life: Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Jan 10, 2017 • 29 min
To kick off 2017, we’re getting to know each co-host with a special episode, diving into faith journeys, unexpected stories, and of course, a little fun, too. In this episode, we get to know Lindsy Wallace. She loves Jesus, her husband, their five kids,…
07 - Joy for All People: Unscripted Conversations on Life and Faith
Dec 20, 2016 • 57 min
Joy to the world: What does that mean? What’s the difference between happiness and joy? In this advent episode, we discuss the upside down notion that if it’s not good news for everyone, it’s not good news. We share our struggles and victories in…
Special Bonus Episode - The Talk: A Conversation on Race with Tyler Burns
Dec 13, 2016 • 60 min
We speak with Tyler Burns, founding member of the Reformed African American Network and host of the Pass the Mic podcast. This conversation is full of grace and honesty, and is deeply important not only to our culture, but to the Kingdom of God. We ask…
06 - Loneliness in the Kingdom of God: Unscripted Conversations on Life and Faith
Dec 6, 2016 • 50 min
Following Jesus can feel lonely. Why? Is that an entirely bad thing? Maybe we need to flip our view of loneliness upside down. We discuss why it’s easy to feel lonely in this kingdom of now and not yet. We dive deep into Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s idea that…
05 - Why Love is the Final Fight: A Conversation with Dr. John M. Perkins
Nov 21, 2016 • 56 min
Our VERY special first-ever guest is with Dr. John M. Perkins, one of the leading Christian voices to come out of the American civil rights movement. A pastor, author, and founder of the Christian Community Development Association, we’re honored to talk…
04 - Radical Hospitality: Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Nov 8, 2016 • 49 min
Hospitality: In God’s Kingdom, what does hospitality look like? What’s the difference between faith-fueled hospitality and simply entertaining? What does the Bible say about radical hospitality and community? In this episode, our hosts dive into what…
Bonus Episode: All About Adoption
Oct 31, 2016 • 65 min
Considering adoption? To celebrate National Adoption Month, we’re giving you a special episode dedicated to adoption! Adoptive moms (and co-hosts) Lindsy Wallace, Kayla Craig, and Shannon Evans share their adoption experiences and offer encouragement….
03 - Hashtag Blessed: What does “blessed” mean in the Upside Down Kingdom? Unscripted Conversations on Life and Faith
Oct 25, 2016 • 50 min
We see #blessed all the time, but what does blessed really mean in God’s Kingdom? How has Christian culture used the word blessed incorrectly? Correctly? And what does scripture say about blessings? We dive into how Jesus uses “blessed” in the Sermon on…
02 - Safety, Fear, and the Kingdom of God. Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Oct 11, 2016 • 57 min
In Episode 2 of Upside Down, we dive into how Christians can easily idolize safety. What does the Bible say about safety? What about fear? What did Jesus say about being safe? We share five different perspectives and personal experiences, and add a…
01 - What Does it Mean to Live Upside Down? Unscripted Conversations on Life & Faith
Sep 27, 2016 • 61 min
Our pilot episode brings together five Christian women from across the country discussing the intersection of life and faith. Join us as we chat about the upside down life in the kingdom of God. No topic is off limits as we flip the script on our…