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Give and Take
Conversations at the Heart of the Matter
77: Closing A Start Up Church, with Ryan Egli
Jan 19 • 43 min
My guest is Ryan Egli. Ryan Egli is the Director of Enrollment Management and Marketing at Biblical Theological Seminary. He planted a church two years ago that had to close its doors. On this episode he shares that story. Special Guest: Ryan Egli.
76: Why the Last Jedi is more “Spiritual” than “Religious”, with Chaim Saiman
Jan 16 • 74 min
My guest is Chaim Saiman. He's a Professor of Law at Villanova University Law School, and is an expert in Law and Religion and Jewish Legal theory. He also wrote a fascinating piece in the Atlantic about the most recent Star Wars film. It's called "Why…
75: The Dream and The Preacher King, with Kenyatta Gilbert
Jan 15 • 41 min
My guest is the Reverend Dr. Kenyatta R. Gilbert. Kenyatta is Associate Professor of Homiletics at the Howard University School of Divinity. He earned his B.A. in Political Science from Baylor University and both his M.Div. and Ph.D. in Practical Theology…
74: UnTrumped, with Doug Pagitt
Jan 10 • 57 min
Doug Pagitt is an Author, Speaker, Podcaster, Organizer, Pastor, Ultra-Marathoner, Goodness Conspirator & Possibility Evangelist. He recently did a limited run podcast with another Pastor who voted for Donald Trump and still remains a Trump supporter. The…
73: The Ukrainian Night: An Intimate History of Revolution, with Marci Shore
Jan 6 • 72 min
My guest is Marci Shore. Marci teaches European cultural and intellectual history at Yale University. She's the author on numerous books, most recently The Ukrainian Night: An Intimate History of Revolution. In this lyrical and intimate book, she evokes…
72: Meet The Nativity, with Glen Scrivener
Dec 21, 2017 • 49 min
Glen Scrivener is an Anglican minister and director of the charity Speak Life. He’s the author of several books including “321 - The Story of God, the World, and You” and “Love Story: The Myth That Really Happened.” He wrote and produced the Christmas…
71: Areas of Fog, with Will Dowd
Dec 9, 2017 • 51 min
My guest is Will Dowd. As unpredictable as its subject, _Areas of Fog _combines wit and poetry with humor and erudition. A fun, breezy, and discursive read, it is an intellectual game that exposes the artificiality of genres. Will Dowd is a writer and…
70: Only a Joke Can Save Us: A Theory of Comedy, with Todd McGowan
Dec 5, 2017 • 80 min
My guest is Todd McGowan. He teaches courses in film theory, history, and genre at the University of Vermont. His areas of interest include Hegel, psychoanalysis, and existentialism, and the intersection of these lines of thought with the cinema. He's the…
69: Obroni And The Chocolate Factory, with Steven Wallace
Dec 4, 2017 • 53 min
What country makes the best chocolate? Most people would answer "Switzerland," or, if they're discerning, "Belgium" or "France." But, how many cocoa trees grow in Zurich? Lyon? Antwerp? Shouldn't the country known for growing the best cocoa beans be the…
68: Sexual Harassment & Sexual Desire, with Jocelyn Olcott
Dec 3, 2017 • 65 min
In the wake of so many sexual harassment and sexual misconduct allegations, we here concerns of "sex panic" and McCarthyism from some cultural critics. Many of them are actual on the cultural left. Jocelyn Olcott and I talk about this and a host of…
67: Net Neutrality, with Jennifer Briney
Dec 2, 2017 • 83 min
My guest is Jennifer Briney. She's the creator and host of the wildly popular "Congressional Dish" podcast. It's like C-Span meets Comedy Central, resisting the corporate takeover of the world. We discuss the upcoming FCC decision concerning Net…
66: Roy Moore and The Rise of Creepy Christianity, with David French
Nov 15, 2017 • 67 min
My guest is David French. David is a senior writer for National Review, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, an attorney (concentrating his practice in constitutional law and the law of armed conflict), and a veteran of Operation Iraqi…
65: Is That Rhetorical?…, with Johanna Hartelius
Nov 13, 2017 • 33 min
My guest is Johanna Hartelius. She is a professor at the University of Pittsburgh. Her research focuses on rhetorical theory and criticism with an emphasis on expertise, public memory, and digital rhetoric. She studies the cultural and political…
64: Gangsters to Governors: The New Bosses of Gambling in America, with David Clary
Nov 10, 2017 • 46 min
David Clary is a news editor at The San Diego Union-Tribune and the author of “Gangsters to Governors: The New Bosses of Gambling in America,” published by Rutgers University Press on Oct. 30, 2017. The book explores how and why states have encouraged and…
63: Babette’s Feast, with Julia Beardsley O’Brien and Abigail Killeen
Nov 8, 2017 • 60 min
Babette’s Feast tells the story of how a refugee transforms a closed religious community by sacrificing all she has to throw a lavish dinner party. Through her radical hospitality, this mysterious woman converts her guests’ deeply held notions of scarcity…
62: Philadelphia: Finding The Hidden City, with Nathaniel Popkin
Nov 4, 2017 • 58 min
My guest is Nathaniel Popkin. Why is Philadelphia the “Hidden City?” What makes it distinctive in the landscape of American cities? And why does it matter? These are the questions Hidden City Daily co-founders Peter Woodall and Nathaniel Popkin and Hidden…
61: When Dust Becomes Mercy, with Tullian Tchividjian
Oct 30, 2017 • 69 min
Tullian Tchividjian is the grandson of Billy Graham. He's written several award winning books. He's been a celebrated preacher and pastor. Then his life fell apart. He lost his marriage and his church and he wanted to end it all. Then he found hope. If…
60: The Zombie Gospel, with Danielle Strickland
Oct 20, 2017 • 42 min
My guest is Danielle Strickland. Her newest book, The Zombie Gospel, explores the spiritual and existential themes in the wildly popular television series The Walking Dead. Danielle J. Strickland serves the Salvation Army in Los Angeles as the western…
59: Thanks, Obama…My Hopey, Changey White House Years, with David Litt
Oct 18, 2017 • 41 min
David Litt entered the White House in 2011 and left in 2016 as a special assistant to the president and senior presidential speechwriter. Described as the “comic muse for the president,” David was the lead writer on four White House Correspondents’ Dinner…
58: Same Kind Of Different As Me, with Darren Moorman
Oct 11, 2017 • 36 min
My guest is Darren Moorman. He's produced numerous feature films. His most recent film, Same Kind Of Difference As Me, premiers on October 20th. It stars Renee Zellweger, Greg Kinnear, Djimon Hounsou and John Voight. It's based on The New York Times…
57: The American Religious Landscape, with Robert P. Jones
Oct 10, 2017 • 40 min
My guest today is Robert P. Jones. He's the CEO of the Public Religion Research Institute, and the author of several books, including "The End of White Christian America." The American religious landscape is undergoing a dramatic transformation. White…
56: Sucking Up: A Brief Consideration of Sycophancy, with Deborah & Mark Parker
Oct 5, 2017 • 46 min
My guests are Deborah and Mark Parker. Deborah Parker is Professor of Italian at the University of Virginia. Mark Parker is Professor of English at James Madison University. They are coauthors of Inferno Revealed: From Dante to Dan Brown, and most…
55: How To Think: A Survival Guide For A World At Odds, With Alan Jacobs
Oct 2, 2017 • 66 min
My guest is Alan Jacobs. His most recent book is "How To Think: A Survival Guide For A World At Odds." As a celebrated cultural critic and a writer for national publications like The Atlantic and Harper’s, Alan Jacobs has spent his adult life belonging to…
54: Vintage Saints And Sinners, with Karen Wright Marsh
Sep 29, 2017 • 49 min
Karen Wright Marsh is executive director and cofounder of Theological Horizons, a university ministry that has advanced theological scholarship at the intersection of faith, thought, and life since 1991. Her new book is "Vintage Saints And Sinners: 25…
53: Havana Without Makeup, with Herman Portocarero
Sep 26, 2017 • 58 min
My guest is Herman Portocarero. He is a Belgian-born writer and diplomat of Spanish and Portuguese descent. He has published more than twenty works of fiction and nonfiction, including the Hercule Poirot Prize-winning crime novel New Yorkse Nachten (New…
52: Midlife: A Philosophical Guide, with Kieran Setiya
Sep 22, 2017 • 76 min
My guest is Kieran Setiya. He teaches philosophy at MIT, working mainly in ethics, epistemology, and the philosophy of mind. He's the author of "Reasons without Rationalism" and "Knowing Right From Wrong." His most recent book is "Midlife: A Philosophical…
51: Abandon Me, with Melissa Febos
Sep 21, 2017 • 76 min
My guest is Melissa Febos. She's the author of two critically acclaimed memoirs, "Whip Smart" and "Abandon Me". Her work has been widely anthologized and appears in publications including Tin House, Granta, The Kenyon Review, Prairie Schooner, Glamour,…
50: Reading Jesus’s Bible, with John Goldingay
Sep 14, 2017 • 60 min
John Goldingay is the David Allan Hubbard Professor of Old Testament at Fuller Theological Seminary. He has been at Fuller since 1997. He was previously principal and a professor of Old Testament at St John’s Theological College in Nottingham, England. He…
49: Recapturing the Wonder: Transcendent Faith in a Disenchanted World, with Mike Cosper
Sep 2, 2017 • 69 min
My guest is Mike Cosper. He's the author of "Rhythms of Grace" and "The Stories We Tell" (both published by Crossway Books), the co-author of "Faithmapping. His newest book is "Recapturing the Wonder: Transcendent Faith in a Disenchanted World." He's the…
48: Single, Gay, Christian (and celibate), with Gregory Coles
Aug 29, 2017 • 50 min
My guest is Gregory Coles. He was born in upstate New York, wasraised on the Indonesian island of Java, and is now a PhD candidate studying English in central Pennsylvania. He's the author of "Single, Gay, Christian: A Personal Journey Of Faith And Sexual…
47: The Humanity of God, with Kenneth Tanner
Aug 27, 2017 • 55 min
The Rev. Kenneth Tanner is pastor of Church of the Holy Redeemer in Rochester Hills, Mich. He writes for numerous websites and magazines, including The Huffington Post and Sojourners. Special Guest: Kenneth Tanner.
46: The Brand/Design Connection, with MacKenzie Kuhns
Aug 23, 2017 • 42 min
My guest is MacKenzie Kuhns. She is the founder and owner of Stillz Design, a strategic design studio. She has always loved creating, curating and the value of aesthetic and design, which is why she is passionate about helping small business owners…
45: Money Talks, with Evan Money
Aug 19, 2017 • 81 min
My guest is Evan Money. Evan in a bestselling author, Global Entrepreneur and Executive Producer of the ground breaking film "Words of Art", starring Joel Osteen, Darren Hardy, Zig Ziglar, Jim Rohn and more. Evan and his bride of 19 years and counting,…
44: White Privilege and the Myth of Equality, with Ken Wytsma
Aug 17, 2017 • 42 min
My guest is Ken Wytsma. He is the lead pastor of global ministries at Antioch Church and is president of Kilns College, where he teaches courses on philosophy and justice. His most recent book is "The Myth Of Equality: Uncovering the Roots of Injustice…
43: No Longer Alone, with Melinda Inman
Aug 6, 2017 • 81 min
Melinda Viergever Inman is a prodigal with a passion to write. She authors fiction illustrating God's love for wounded people, making beauty of ashes. The most recent of her three novels is "No Longer Alone." It's based on a true story. Melinda vigorously…
42: Nurture The Wow, with Danya Ruttenberg
Aug 3, 2017 • 49 min
Danya Ruttenberg writes books about the messy business of trying to be a person in the world, and how spirituality can inform and transform that work. Sometimes that’s about parenting, sometimes feminism, sex, God, justice, or joy. Her most recent book,…
41: Girls Gone Old, with Fiona Helmsley
Jul 28, 2017 • 51 min
My guest is Fiona Helmsley. Her most recent book of essays is entitled "Girls Gone Old." Her writing can be found online at websites like The Rumpus, Jezebel, The Weeklings, The Hairpin, PANK and in various anthologies like Ladyland and The Best Sex…
40: What Is Neo-Liberalism & Why It Matters, with Michael Konczal
Jul 26, 2017 • 49 min
My guest is Mike Konczal. He is a Fellow with the Roosevelt Institute, where he works on financial reform, unemployment, inequality, and a progressive vision of the economy. He has recently written some pieces for Vox on Neo-Liberalism, which were the…
39: Game of Thrones and the Games Politicians Play, with David French
Jul 25, 2017 • 69 min
David French is a senior writer for National Review, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, an attorney (concentrating his practice in constitutional law and the law of armed conflict), and a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. He also knows a…
38: Live Show At The Philly Podcast Festival, with Peter Crimmins
Jul 24, 2017 • 46 min
My guest is Peter Crimmins, Arts & Culture reporter for WHYY, Philadelphia's NPR affialite station. This show was taped live at the Philadelphia Podcast Festival. You can find out more about the Philadelphia Podcast Festival here:…
37: Strange Beauty, with Eliza Factor
Jul 21, 2017 • 49 min
My guest is Eliza factor. Eliza Factor is author of the acclaimed novels "The Mercury Fountain", "Love Maps" and most recently a memoir entitled "Strange Beauty." Eliza and her husband have three children, the eldest of whom is multiply disabled. She is…
36: Faithful Presence, with David Fitch
Jul 20, 2017 • 79 min
My guest is David Fitch. He's a pastor, theologian and author of numerous books. His most recent book is "Faithful Presence: How God Shapes the Church for the Sake of the World. "Special Guest: David Fitch.
35: Eat Your Heart Out, with Tiffany Ann Dwyer
Jul 19, 2017 • 37 min
Tiffaney Ann is a health and wellness coach specializing in food philosophy, an Essential Oils educator, wife, mother and Real Life advocate. Her passion is influencing others to love themselves (whatever that means) without guilt. Follow Tiffaney on…
34: All The Beautiful People We Once Knew, With Edward Carlson
Jul 14, 2017 • 55 min
My guest is Edward Carlson. His debut novel is "All The Beautiful People We Once Knew." He is a New York shipping lawyer by trade. Prior to studying law, he edited gun magazines in San Diego; covered sports, religion, and music for Philadelphia…
33: Evolution 2.0, with Perry Marshall
Jul 6, 2017 • 68 min
Perry Marshall is an author, speaker, engineer and world-renowned business consultant in Chicago. With a decade of research, he brings a fresh perspective to the 150-year old evolution debate. Bill Gates of Microsoft and the founders of Google…
32: International Women’s Year: The Greatest Consciousness-Raising Event In History, with Jocelyn Olcott
Jun 22, 2017 • 66 min
My guest is Jocelyn Olcott. She is Associate Professor of History and Gender, Sexuality, and Feminist Studies at Duke University. She is the author of, most recently, "International Women’s Year: The Greatest Consciousness-Raising Event in History", which…
31: Singer, Songwriter and Playwright Jim Knable
Jun 20, 2017 • 75 min
My guest is singer, songwriter and playwright Jim Knable. Special Guest: Jim Knable .
30: Movies Are Prayers, with Josh Larsen
Jun 13, 2017 • 36 min
My guest is Josh Larsen, host of the "Filmspotting" podcast and author of "Movies Are Prayers: How Films Voice Our Deepest Longings."Special Guest: Josh Larsen.
29: Embodied Hope: A Theological Meditation on Pain and Suffering, with Kelly Kapic
Jun 6, 2017 • 49 min
My guest is Kelly Kapic. He teaches theology at Covenant College and is the author of "Embodied Hope: A Theological Mediation on Pain and Suffering."Special Guest: Kelly M. Kapic.
28: The Collapse of American Identity, with Robert P. Jones
Jun 5, 2017 • 40 min
My guest today is Robert P. Jones. He's the CEO of the Public Religion Research Institute, and the author of several books, including "The End of White Christian America." A recent op-ed piece he did for the New York Times was a jumping off point for our…
27: The Congressional Dish, with Jennifer Briney
Jun 1, 2017 • 52 min
My guest is Jennifer Briney. She's the creator and host of the wildly popular "Congressional Dish" podcast. It's like C-Span meets Comedy Central, resisting the corporate takeover of the world. Special Guest: Jennifer Briney.
26: How to Love Your Ideological Enemy, with Karen Swallow Prior
May 27, 2017 • 43 min
My guest is Karen Swallow Prior. Karen is an award-winning Professor of English at Liberty University. She's the author of several books, numerous scholarly articles and just wrote a piece for Christianity Today entitled "How to Love Your Ideological…
25: Cancer Is Funny, with Jason Micheli
May 27, 2017 • 49 min
My guest is Jason Micheli. He's the author of "Cancer Is Funny: Keeping Faith in Stage-Serious Chemo". He a Methodist pastor and co-hosts the "Crackers and Grape Juice" podcast.Special Guest: Jason Micheli.
24: The Vulnerable Pastor, with Mandy Smith
May 26, 2017 • 41 min
My guest is Mandy Smith. She's the author, most recently, of the "The Vulnerable Pastor". She is also the lead pastor of University Christian Church in Cincinatti, Ohio.Special Guest: Mandy Smith.
23: Talking Life, Loss and Love, with Jace Broadhurst
May 23, 2017 • 64 min
My guest is Jace Broadhurst is a biblical scholar, a Baptist minister, and someone who has spent some time in the school of suffering over the past few years. He shares his thoughts on faith and the life of the mind, baptist culture and dealing with the…
22: What’s Your Story? Seeing Your Life Through God’s Eyes, with Sarah Heath
May 22, 2017 • 39 min
My guest is Sarah Heath. Sarah is the pastor of First United Methodist Church in Costa Mesa, California. She's the author of a new book "What's Your Story? Seeing Your Life Through God’s Eyes". With roots in Canada and Mississippi, she is a graduate of…
21: Saved By Design…Talking Architecture, with Duo Dickinson
May 20, 2017 • 36 min
My guest is renowned architect (and my friend) Duo Dickinson. Duo's work has received more than 30 awards, including the 2015 Sacred Landscape Award from the Interfaith Forum on Religion, Art and Architecture. His design work has been published in more…
20: Reclaiming Hope, with Michael Wear
May 19, 2017 • 48 min
My guest is Michael Wear. Michael is the author of "Reclaiming Hope: Lessons Learned in the Obama White House About the Future of Faith in America." He's the co-host of the "Church Politics" podcast, and was one of the youngest White House staffers in…
19: Getting Jesus Wrong, with Matt Johnson
May 18, 2017 • 42 min
My guest today is Matt Johnson. Matt is a husband, father to two little girls, and is an armchair student of theology living in Seattle. He is also a freelance writer and editor. Until recently, Matt spent 7 years as an associate volunteer pastor in…
18: The Death of Expertise, with Tom Nichols
May 17, 2017 • 43 min
Tom Nichols is Professor of National Security Affairs at the US Naval War College, an adjunct professor at the Harvard Extension School, and a former aide in the U.S. Senate. He is also the author of several works on foreign policy and international…
17: Considering Conservatism, with David French
May 16, 2017 • 62 min
David French is a senior writer for National Review, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, an attorney (concentrating his practice in constitutional law and the law of armed conflict), and a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. He is the author…
16: Mel Talks, with Melissa Shoshahi
May 14, 2017 • 60 min
Melissa Shoshahi is an Iranian-American stand-up comedian and writer based in Los Angeles. Performing across the country and Canada, Melissa brings her witty personality to the stage and knows no limits when it comes to comedy - culture, politics, race…
15: Religionless Christianity, with Jeffrey Pugh
May 11, 2017 • 48 min
My guest today is Jeffrey Pugh. He is the Maude Sharpe Powell Professor of Religious Studies at Elon University. He is an ordained United Methodist Minister. He joined Elon’s faculty in 1986. In 2000, he won Elon's Daniels-Danieley Award for Excellence in…
14: The Return of the Strong Gods, with R.R. Reno
May 10, 2017 • 59 min
My guest today is R.R. Reno, editor of "First Things", a Journal of Religion and Public Life, and also an old friend. Special Guest: R.R. Reno .
13: Liturgy of the Ordinary, with Tish Harrison Warren
May 9, 2017 • 57 min
My guest today is Tish Harrison Warren. She's an Anglican priest and the author of "Liturgy of the Ordinary: Sacred Practice in Everyday Life". She and her husband Jonathan (who is also an Anglican priest) live in Pittsburgh with their two young daughters…
12: Savage Love…With Dan Savage (Who Else?)
May 4, 2017 • 56 min
My guest is Dan Savage. He's a best selling author and sex advice columnist, a wildly popular podcaster, an Emmy winner and above all a great conversationalist.Special Guest: Dan Savage.
11: Why Don’t Democrats Take Religion Seriously?, and Other Big Questions…with The Atlantic’s Emma Green
May 2, 2017 • 42 min
My guest today is Emma Green. Emma is a staff writer at ‚ÄčThe Atlantic, where she covers politics, policy, and religion. Special Guest: Emma Green.
10: What Is The Bible?…with Rob Bell
Apr 27, 2017 • 45 min
Rob Bell is The New York Times bestselling author of "Love Wins", "What We Talk About When We Talk about God", and "The Zimzum of Love". You can preorder his forthcoming book "What Is The Bible?" anywhere books are sold. iTunes named his podcast, The…
9: Reclaiming The Word “Jew”, with Mark Oppenheimer
Apr 26, 2017 • 57 min
Today's guest Mark Oppenheimer is the co-host of one of Scott's favorite podcasts, "Unorthodox". He's written numerous books and is an op-ed contributor to the LA Times. He's also got more daughters than Rush Limbaugh has had wives. Special Guest: Mark…
8: The Bible For Normal People, With Pete Enns
Apr 25, 2017 • 49 min
My guest today is Pete Enns. Dr. Peter Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, PA. He has taught courses at several other institutions including Harvard University, Fuller…
7: Talking Religion and Politics with Molly Worthen
Apr 21, 2017 • 35 min
Today's guest is Molly Worthen. Molly is a historian whose specializes in American religious intellectual history. She also is a contributing Op-Ed writer for the NY Times. Show Notes: Below are links to two of Molly Worthen's NY Times op-ed pieces that…
Everything Belongs To Us, With Yoojin Grace Wuertz
Apr 20, 2017 • 43 min
Today's guest is Yoojin Grace Wuertz. In her debut novel, "Everything Belongs To Us", two young women of vastly different means each struggle to find her own way during the darkest hours of South Korea’s “economic miracle” in a striking debut novel for…
5: Things To Do When You’re Goth In The Country
Apr 17, 2017 • 50 min
My guest today is Chavisa Woods. She's a Brooklyn based award winning literary writer. Her most recent book, "Things To Do When You're Goth In The Country & Other Stories" comes out in May of 2017.
4: Rockstar Lilly Inman
Apr 16, 2017 • 17 min
My guest on this Easter Sunday special episode is Lilly Inman, rockstar. She's also my niece. She's 6 years old and she's awesome.Special Guest: Lilly Inman.
3: Fully Belly Laughs, As Do I With Brian Durkin
Apr 11, 2017 • 74 min
My guest today is Brian Durkin. He's a comedian and he's the creator and curator of He also hosts the Full Belly Laughs podcast. Special Guest: Brian Durkin.
2: The Animators
Apr 4, 2017 • 55 min
My guest this week is Kayla Rae Whitaker, author of The Animators. “A wildly original novel that pulses with heart and truth … That this powerful exploration of friendship, desire, ambition, and secrets manages to be ebullient, gripping, heartbreaking,…
1: Welcome to Give and Take!
Mar 30, 2017 • 1 min
Give and Take is where Scott Jones interviews artists, activists, authors and a wide array of other thought leaders that help make our world the interesting place it is.