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111 - Data Science On the Go
Jul 17 • 75 min
Hilary and Roger discuss working from home (mobile edition), correlation vs. causation, Roger’s coffee woes, and data analytic “style”. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard Deviations book: Subscribe to…
110 - Who Needs Data?
Jul 3 • 75 min
Hilary and Roger discuss using data to prove someone wrong and then embark on another book club discussing Scott Berkun’s How Design Makes the World. And Hilary has an important coffee update! Show Notes: by Scott Berkun Roger on Twitter: Hilary…
109 - Still Working From Home
Jun 20 • 77 min
Hilary and Roger discuss “microservices”, importing the tidyverse into a package, business acronyms, math as a sketching tool, and renaming the Fisher Lecture. Show notes: (Stripe Press) Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So…
108 - It Depends
May 25 • 57 min
Hilary and Roger discuss such non-pandemic topics as: the stunning conclusion to the Moka Pot Saga, Hilary’s new book she’s reading on design thinking, building software without dependencies, and Lady Dynamite. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: …
107 - Still Not a Data Scientist
May 8 • 65 min
Hilary and Roger revisit COBOL, discuss the tradeoff of stability vs. flexibility, complain about discussing statistics over email, tech addiction, and R version 4.0. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard…
106 - Podcasts are a Process
Apr 27 • 66 min
Hilary and Roger give an update on the home coffee situation and discuss COBOL programming as a metaphor for reproducible research. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard Deviations book: Subscribe to the…
105 - Peeking at the Data
Apr 10 • 57 min
Hilary and Roger discuss Andrew Cuomo’s appreciation of statisticians, whether to look or not look at COVID19 data, and developing Shiny apps. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard Deviations book: Subscribe…
104 - Mossy Walls
Mar 26 • 77 min
Hilary and Roger give some updates on what’s going on and how life at home is working out. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: https://twitter.com/rdpeng Hilary on Twitter: https://twitter.com/hspter Get the Not So Standard Deviations book:…
103 - Worst Data Analysts Ever
Mar 15 • 72 min
Hilary and Roger provide a respite from recent events by discussing forecasting the U.S. primary elections, Roger’s time series analysis course, R package woes, artificial intelligence, and the Hilary Parker job requirement. Show notes: Roger on…
102 - Readable Tech Debt
Feb 27 • 69 min
Hilary and Roger follow up on their discussion with JJ Allaire about open source software. They also discuss getting a PhD, ad hoc data analysis with or without functions, and Moka pots. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not…
101 - Special Guest JJ Allaire
Feb 18 • 61 min
Hilary and Roger welcome JJ Allaire, CEO and founder of RStudio, PBC, to the podcast and have a wide-ranging discussion about developing open source software, successful open source business models, the R language, and data science. Show notes: JJ…
100 - Live from RStudio Conf 2020
Feb 4 • 59 min
Episode 100 was recorded in front of a live audience at RStudio::conf 2020. In this episode Hilary and Roger discuss how ideas evolve over time and use examples from this podcast to illustrate their views on data analysis and design thinking. Show…
99 - HSP Guide to SF
Jan 27 • 47 min
Hilary and Roger follow up on their discussion of open source software. They also discuss writing functions for data analysis, learning a second programming language, and Hilary’s guide to San Francisco. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on…
98 - Moka Pot Giveaway
Jan 22 • 10 min
Hilary and Roger discuss recent results of Moka pot coffee. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard Deviations book: Subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts: Subscribe to the podcast on Google Play: Find past…
97 - Don’t Do What You Like
Jan 13 • 75 min
Hilary and Roger follow up on the future of R, then talk about reproducibility versus systems, the proliferation of text-based formats and implications for statistical modeling, and why open source developers have so little power. Show notes: Roger…
96 - R in 10 Years
Jan 2 • 23 min
Where will R be in 10 years and what might replace it? Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard Deviations book: Subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts: Subscribe to the podcast on Google Play: Find past…
95 - Summarisze
Dec 26, 2019 • 5 min
Summarize or summarise? Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard Deviations book: Subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts: Subscribe to the podcast on Google Play: Find past episodes: Contact us at Podcast…
94 - Delectoble
Dec 19, 2019 • 7 min
Hilary and Roger ask, why doesn’t Hilary just get an espresso machine? Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard Deviations book: Subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts: Subscribe to the podcast on Google Play: …
93 - df and dat
Dec 13, 2019 • 74 min
Hilary and Roger discuss Moka pots, follow up on the creative curve, name their data frames, discuss prediction vs. forecasting, and data science in military and intelligence applications. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the…
92 - Hilary Comes to Town
Nov 27, 2019 • 67 min
Hilary and Roger record in person for the third time ever to discuss the changing nature of data science and its role in various industries, the use of QA in data science product development, and lots of other stuff. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: …
91 - The Creative Curve
Nov 14, 2019 • 76 min
Hilary and Roger discuss the book The Creative Curve by Allen Gannett and how the ideas relate to data science and data analysis. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard Deviations book: Subscribe to the podcast…
90 - This Week in Algorithmic Bias
Oct 30, 2019 • 61 min
Hilary and Roger follow up on R as a first programming language (thanks Sean Kross!) and open source licensing and then discuss algorithmic bias in medicine and housing. Also, NEW BOOK CLUB! Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get…
89 - Everyone Has a Life
Oct 19, 2019 • 65 min
Hilary and Roger have a wide-ranging discussion about coffee, Hilary’s essay on imposter syndrome, open source software business models, and R as a first programming language. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So…
88 - Keep the Humans for the Human Stuff
Sep 30, 2019 • 76 min
Hilary and Roger discuss the RStudio Conference, Directions in Statistical Computing, the benefits of having a diversity of programming languages, and canola oil. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard Deviations…
87 - Leadership Skills for the Apocalypse
Sep 16, 2019 • 79 min
Hilary and Roger go behind the scenes of a new tool for building outfits that she helped build at Stitch Fix. Also, follow up on writing functions for data analysis and Hilary review’s her milk frother. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on…
86 - Pedal to the Metal
Aug 22, 2019 • 75 min
Hilary and Roger are back from their brief summer hiatus to discuss data analysis project organization, version control systems, foot pedals, conferences, and Roger’s live-streaming. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So…
85 - Old/old (with special guest Jenna Krall)
Jul 25, 2019 • 61 min
Roger welcomes special guest Jenna Krall to discuss cricket, data analysis project organization, and the difficulties in creating a dataset. Show Notes: Jenna Krall: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard Deviations…
84 - All the Easy Issues
Jul 10, 2019 • 72 min
Roger and Hilary follow up on leaf umbrellas and take some time to discuss what’s happening with R, the Tidyverse, and RStudio and how it’s related to what’s happening more broadly in the world of the Internet. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary…
83 - Cricket Maths
Jun 26, 2019 • 60 min
Hilary and Roger talk about Cricket math(s), livestreaming data analysis, Hilary’s Style Challenge Friday, and an auto-rejecting paper bot. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard Deviations book: Subscribe to the…
82 - The Majority of Data Science is Data Science
Jun 13, 2019 • 58 min
Hilary and Roger talk about what people are really saying when they complain about data cleaning and follow up about the role of negotiation in data science. Also, some important discussion about closets and backpacks. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: …
81 - Getting to Yes with Data Analysis
May 23, 2019 • 71 min
Hilary and Roger discuss the book Getting to Yes and how it applies to data analysis. Also, more sports, breaking changes to R, and sampling. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard Deviations book: Subscribe to…
80 - We Have the Fix for Science
May 3, 2019 • 51 min
Hilary and Roger announce a NEW BOOK CLUB, discuss the rise of causal inference, the new version of RStudio, and different ways to model the data analysis process. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard…
79 - Things Never Get Dirty If You’re Always Cleaning
Apr 23, 2019 • 54 min
Hilary and Roger discuss the Women in Analytics Conference, GDPR, and Soji for Data. Also a new #hilaryshabits! Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard Deviations book: Subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts: …
78 - A Sheep in Every Kitchen
Apr 11, 2019 • 63 min
Hilary and Roger provide updates about coffee and oat milk, talk about the unbundling of the data scientist job, R style guides, quantifying the performance of music services, and KPI design. And the return of #hilaryshabits! Show notes: Roger on…
77 - Back to Statistics
Mar 28, 2019 • 63 min
Hilary and Roger discuss the significance of statistical significance, the elements and principles of data analysis, and how to enforce ethical data science practice. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard…
76 - Barely a Data Scientist
Mar 7, 2019 • 60 min
Hilary and Roger discuss the other jobs of the data scientist, using notebooks, Getting Things Done (on paper), keeping packages on CRAN, and the Women in Data Science Conference. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So…
75 - Data Science Lite
Feb 21, 2019 • 77 min
Hilary and Roger talk about maintaining old R packages, how Hilary manages her time, and the general state of open source software. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard Deviations book: Subscribe to the podcast…
74 - I Draw the Line at Fans
Feb 8, 2019 • 65 min
Hilary and Roger discuss Roger’s foray into cloud computing and how they determine whether they can trust an algorithm or R package. Also, a bonus discussion of the state of data science as a field. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter:…
73 - Time Tracking Fiasco
Jan 24, 2019 • 71 min
Hilary and Roger discuss this year’s RStudio Conference and the perils of collecting data without first thinking about it. Also, the return of free advertising. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard Deviations…
72 - Cat Shenanigans
Jan 14, 2019 • 57 min
Happy 2019 to all of our listeners! Hilary and Roger follow up on the data science design challenge, talk about the future package for R, and do another #hilaryshabits. Show notes: Roger’s protocol study: Get the Not So Standard Deviations book:…
71 - Compromised Shoe Situation
Dec 20, 2018 • 64 min
Hilary and Roger discuss their first data science design challenge on getting to work on time, and Roger talks his own about biased training data. Show notes: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard Deviations book:…
70 - The Smoothie Happens Everyday
Dec 6, 2018 • 67 min
In their penultimate episode for 2018, Hilary and Roger discuss the distinction between what data analysis is and what data analysts do, Hilary’s morning routine, and Chapter 8 (the final chapter!) of Nigel Cross’s book Design Thinking. Show notes:…
69 - Book Club, Part 7
Nov 16, 2018 • 63 min
Hilary and Roger discuss the DC R Conference, QCon, Netflix, and Chapter 7 of Design Thinking by Nigel Cross. Show notes: Design Thinking by Nigel Cross Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard Deviations book: Subscribe…
68 - Book Club, Part 6
Nov 1, 2018 • 74 min
Hilary and Roger discuss Hilary’s .Rprofile file, jury duty, R certification, and Chapter 6 of Nigel Cross’s book Design Thinking. Show notes: by Nigel Cross Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard Deviations book: Subscribe…
67 - Book Club, Part 5
Oct 18, 2018 • 63 min
Hilary and Roger discuss dogs in McLaren F1s, ☕️, five books on data science, 🥧 charts, and chapter 5 of Nigel Cross’s book Design Thinking. Design Thinking by Nigel Cross Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard…
66 - Book Club, Part 4
Oct 5, 2018 • 70 min
Hilary and Roger discuss chapter 4 of Nigel Cross’s book, Design Thinking. Also, a new Hilary’s Habits and important coffee follow up. Show notes: Design Thinking by Nigel Cross Support us through our Patreon page: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on…
65 - Book Club, Part 3
Sep 20, 2018 • 53 min
Hilary and Roger launch a new segment—Hilary’s Habits—and they discuss their 3 year anniversary for the show. Also, they continue their discussion of Nigel Cross’s Design Thinking book, covering Chapter 3. Show notes: Design Thinking by Nigel Cross …
64 - Book Club, Part 2
Sep 6, 2018 • 60 min
Hilary and Roger discuss Chapter 2 of Design Thinking by Nigel Cross. Also follow up on adductive reasoning and Hilary considers the McLaren F1. Show notes: Design Thinking by Nigel Cross Support us through our Patreon page: Roger on Twitter: …
63 - Book Club, Part 1
Aug 23, 2018 • 66 min
Hilary and Roger discuss chapter 1 of Design Thinking by Nigel Cross. Show notes: Design Thinking by Nigel Cross Support us through our Patreon page: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the Not So Standard Deviations book: Subscribe to…
62 - Adult Phase
Aug 13, 2018 • 65 min
Hilary and Roger are back from hiatus to discuss the NSSD book club, Roger’s coffee retraction, minimizing R package dependencies, and keynote addresses at ICOTS and Use R! It’s good to be back! Show notes: Design Thinking by Nigel Cross Support…
61 - 70% Gut, 30% Data
Jun 20, 2018 • 79 min
In Roger’s last episode from Melbourne, Hilary and Roger discuss Theranos, trust in data analysis, Netflix, ALTREP, what computer to buy, and how to get into data science. Show notes: Elizabeth Holmes faces criminal charges: xplain package: …
60 - Promise and Deliver
May 31, 2018 • 72 min
Hilary and Roger discuss past research on social networks, more Facebook, corner cases in success in data analysis, and John Carreyrou’s book Bad Blood. Show notes: Support us through our Patreon page: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: Get the…
59 - You Can Have a Day About Anything
May 16, 2018 • 65 min
Hilary and Roger follow up on Uber’s self-driving car accident, sensitivity and specificity, Ronald Fisher’s final destination, and Wes McKinney’s announcement of Ursa Labs. Also, this episode debuts a new segment: Hilary at Work! Show notes:…
58 - It’s Conference Season
Apr 26, 2018 • 66 min
Hilary and Roger discuss design and data analysis, the recent Women in Analytics Conference at Facebook, presentation formats, and the value of PhD training. Show notes: Support us through our Patreon page: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on Twitter: …
57 - Secrets Revealed
Apr 12, 2018 • 55 min
Hilary and Roger discuss the Cambridge Analytica/Facebook story, what explainable AI tries to get at, and Hilary’s secret trick for data analysis. Also, we respond to some listener questions and feedback. Show notes: Support us through our Patreon…
56 - Only One of Us is Saving Daylight
Mar 15, 2018 • 88 min
Roger and Hilary respond to some listener feedback and questions and get sidetracked into a long discussion about transporting data analytic techniques from one context to another. Also the return of free advertising! Show notes: Elizabeth Holmes…
55 - Biggest Change to R Since R
Mar 1, 2018 • 70 min
Hilary and Roger discuss limiting the number of loaded R packages, more Microsoft, whether A/B testing is dead, and transcendental meditation. Show notes: Follow up on number of DLLs allowed: David Smith’s Blog post: CRAN Task view for parallel…
54 - Soft Spot for Microsoft
Feb 11, 2018 • 65 min
Hilary and Roger follow up on his talk at WEHI and the discussion on intelligence analysts. They also discuss Microsoft’s R-related tools, movie spoilers, and other miscellaneous topics. Show notes: Design sprint Episode 48: RevoScaleR: Support…
53 - Shaken, Not Stirred
Jan 28, 2018 • 60 min
Hilary and Roger discuss the connection between intelligence analysts and data scientists, and Hilary helps Roger prepare for an upcoming talk. Show notes: Engineers Shouldn’t Write ETL - Introduction to the “Duke Saga”: Support us through our…
52 - Expense Reporting Masterpiece
Jan 11, 2018 • 68 min
Hilary and Roger welcome the new year by discussing Excel (again), why talking to people who generate data matters, meditation and neuroscience, and trust vs. quality in data analysis. Show notes: Python in Excel: Talk to the people who made the…
51 - A Beehive of Excel Devotees
Dec 14, 2017 • 79 min
An end-of-year episode chock full of topics! Roger and Hilary discuss using Excel, detecting serial killers, counting hurricane-related deaths, and whether it’s possible to evaluate a data analysis without knowing who the author is. If you are a…
50 - Existential Crisis Narrowly Averted
Dec 4, 2017 • 70 min
Hilary and Roger revisit GANs and discuss what makes for a good data analysis. Show notes: NYT Article on software problem: Callisto: Universal Paperclips: Workshop Cafe: Support us through our Patreon page: Roger on Twitter: Hilary on…
49 - Baltimore is the Home of Cloud Computing
Nov 21, 2017 • 71 min
Hilary and Roger discuss when to hire a data scientist, the Kaggle State of Data Science and Machine Learning Survey, and the lack of tools for tracking changes to data. Show notes: Stickers at Sonos: John Carmack on git: Linear Digressions episode…
48 - Peak Salesperson Mode
Nov 7, 2017 • 59 min
Roger went to the rOpenSci Oz Unconference and Hilary led a design sprint. Show notes: rOpenSci OzUnconf 2017: Summary of OzUnconf by Nick Tierney: How do you convince people to use R? Support us through our Patreon page: …
47 - This is Episode 47
Oct 19, 2017 • 69 min
Hilary and Roger discuss listener names, facial recognition, coding boot camps, wildfires in California, edge computing, and AR measuring apps. Plus, more on stickers! Show notes: Biometric Menagerie: Coding boot camps closing down: Sudoku Solver: …
46 - Uncanny Valley of Stickerness
Oct 5, 2017 • 71 min
Hilary and Roger continue their late night contemplations about stickers, collecting new data for training machine learning algorithms, and paying for open (and closed) source software. Show notes: Sticker madness: Sticker on phone: Apple…
45 - Analogy Corner After Dark
Aug 30, 2017 • 64 min
Hilary and Roger have a late-night discussion about JupyterCon, data analysis and decisions, and other deeper topics. Show Notes: JupyterCon: Financial stability monitor: Catistician: Tyranny of Structurelessness: Data Alone Isn’t Ground Truth…
44 - She Won the Battle
Aug 20, 2017 • 55 min
Hilary and Roger continue the discussion about whether good data analysis can lead to bad outcomes, talk about private cloud servers, and discuss whether data represent ground truth. Show Notes: Movies on tape: Private cloud server: …
28 - Writing is a Lot Harder Than Just Talking
Aug 3, 2017 • 60 min
Hilary and Roger talk about building data science products that provide a good user experience while adhering to some kind of ground truth, whether it’s in medicine, education, news, or elsewhere. Also Gilmore Girls. Show Notes: HIll’s criteria…
43 - Analogy Corner
Jul 20, 2017 • 68 min
Hilary and Roger talk about teaching R in the era of the tidyverse, joyplots, follow up on explainable AI, writing versus data analysis, and Google Music playlists. They also take some reader questions and Hilary has an amazing app idea. Lastly, Roger…
Episode 42 - One Piece PJs
Jul 5, 2017 • 62 min
Hilary and Roger discuss the paradigm-shifting Ec…
Episode 41 - Good to Two Decimal Places
Jun 22, 2017 • 56 min
This episode heralds the return of CEO Hilary. Al…
Episode 40 - It’s the CDs All Over Again
Jun 13, 2017 • 62 min
Hilary and Roger talk about the EARL conference, …
Episode 39 - We Listen to Our Data Team
May 24, 2017 • 65 min
Roger and Hilary discuss the meaning of “data dri…
Episode 38 - Banging on the Piano
May 14, 2017 • 59 min
Hilary and Roger revisit the desktop vs. cloud di…
Episode 37 - It’s a Seller’s Market
Apr 27, 2017 • 70 min
Hilary and Roger talk about the EPA taking down d…
Episode 36 - Ripped From the Headlines
Apr 12, 2017 • 61 min
Hilary and Roger discuss Trump using an iPhone an…
Episode 35 - Special Guest Sean Taylor
Mar 29, 2017 • 61 min
Hilary and Roger talk with Sean Taylor of Faceboo…
Episode 34 - F Dist
Mar 12, 2017 • 58 min
Hilary and Roger discuss Stitch Fix’s massive Alg…
Episode 33 - Big Time Bubble Time
Feb 23, 2017 • 51 min
Hilary and Roger talk about the interview process…
Episode 32 - You Have to Reinvent the Wheel a Few Times
Feb 9, 2017 • 75 min
Hilary and Roger discuss training in PhD programs…
Episode 31 - The Word You’re Looking for is Magical
Jan 18, 2017 • 79 min
Hilary and Roger go on a podcast bender and discu…
Episode 30 - Philately and Numismatology
Jan 5, 2017 • 57 min
Hilary and Roger follow up on open data and data …
Episode 29 -Standards are Like Toothbrushes
Dec 19, 2016 • 39 min
Roger travels to Washington, DC to talk with Dani…
Episode 28 - Writing is a Lot Harder Than Just Talking
Dec 14, 2016 • 60 min
Hilary and Roger talk about building data science…
Episode 27 - Special Guest Amelia McNamara
Nov 30, 2016 • 53 min
Roger sits down with Amelia McNamara, Visiting As…
Episode 26 - Our First Post-Election Episode
Nov 15, 2016 • 23 min
Hilary and Roger recover from last week’s U.S. el…
Episode 25 - How Exactly Do You Pronounce SQL?
Oct 26, 2016 • 56 min
Hilary and Roger go through the overflowing mailb…
Episode 24 - 50 Minutes of Blathering
Oct 14, 2016 • 51 min
Hilary and Roger meet at a Jimmy John’s to talk d…
Episode 23 - Special Guest Walt Hickey
Sep 28, 2016 • 44 min
Hilary and Roger invite Walt Hickey of FiveThirty…
Episode 22 - #1 Side Project
Sep 14, 2016 • 54 min
Hilary and Roger celebrate their one year anniver…
Episode 21 - This Might Be the Future!
Aug 25, 2016 • 49 min
Hilary and Roger are apart again and this time th…
Episode 20 - Face Time
Aug 3, 2016 • 63 min
Hilary and Roger are in Chicago (together!) for t…
Episode 19 - Divide by n-1, or n-2, or Whatever
Jul 18, 2016 • 54 min
Hilary and Roger talk about statistical software …
Episode 18 - Back on Planet Earth
Jul 3, 2016 • 65 min
With Hilary fresh from Use R! 2016, Roger and Hil…
Episode 17 - Diurnal High Variance
Jun 8, 2016 • 51 min
Hilary and Roger talk about Amazon Echo and Alexa…
Episode 16 - The Silicon Valley Episode
May 20, 2016 • 48 min
Roger and Hilary are back, with Hilary broadcasti…
Episode 15 - Spinning Up Logistics
Apr 28, 2016 • 45 min
This is Hilary’s and Roger’s last New York-Baltim…
Episode 14 - Sticker Unboxing
Apr 25, 2016 • 3 min
Hilary and Roger meet up face-to-face for the fir…
Episode 13 - It’s Good that Someone is Thinking About Us
Apr 7, 2016 • 62 min
Hilary and Roger talk about the difficulties of s…