#WeThePeople LIVE

#WeThePeople LIVE

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In an era of thought bubbles, of talking points, of fake news and phony debate, #WeThePeople LIVE is a refreshing bar-room conversation about the biggest issues of our time.


EP 139. IS THE USA UNDEMOCRATIC?
Dec 14, 2018 • 81 min
Every chamber of the US Government is held by the party with fewer votes: the GOP. Now, Wisconsin Republicans are stripping further powers from the incoming Democratic governor. Is that “democracy”? Wisconsin Professor Harvey Kaye says “NYET!” But he…
EP 138. IS CAMPUS RAPE WIDESPREAD?
Dec 5, 2018 • 79 min
Bettina Arndt is lighting up university campuses by giving speeches analyzing the data about campus rape. She says she’s empowering young women to be bold and unafraid. Her critics say she dangerously downplays the risk posed by men. Arndt is a celebrity…
EP 137. WE’RE BACK! with SARAH HAIDER ‚Äč
Nov 25, 2018 • 73 min
#WeThePeople LIVE returns after a hiatus with a favorite guest. Sarah Haider is the co-founder of Ex-Muslims of North America. She promotes religious dissent, women’s rights, liberalism and atheism, and she works to create local support communities for…
EP 136. SERENA WILLIAMS RUINED TWITTER
Sep 12, 2018 • 44 min
James Valentine is one of Australia’s most culturally insightful broadcasters. But he’s confused. What happened with Serena Williams at the US Open? Is it real news? Or a racialized, genderized Twitter brouhaha? How can you tell? To answer the deepest,…
EP 135. IS ISRAEL RACIST?
Sep 5, 2018 • 100 min
Chloé Valdary is an unlikely champion of Israel. A young black writer from New Orleans, she’s been published in the Wall Street Journal, The Atlantic and the New York Times, and is a fiercely independent thinker who defies identitarian group-think. Josh…
EP 134. DR KARL - LIVE!
Aug 29, 2018 • 80 min
Australia’s greatest science communicator, Dr Karl, takes your questions LIVE at Giant Dwarf Theatre — and answers Josh’s musings about gravity, mouth bacteria, and whether potatoes are the worst vegetable in the world. Learn more about your ad choices.…
EP 133. “GODLESS SPELLCHECKER”
Aug 22, 2018 • 78 min
Stephen Knight, aka “The Godless Spellchecker”, is a British atheist podcaster who counts Ricky Gervais and Richard Dawkins among his fans. His podcast and YouTube show is among the most popular skeptic programs in the UK. Stephen and Josh discuss Islam,…
EP 132. SARAH JEONG & REVERSE RACISM
Aug 11, 2018 • 78 min
Can an Asian American be “racist” against whites? Much of the American Left has been arguing an emphatic “No” ever since the New York Times appointed Sarah Jeong to its editorial board, despite her Twitter history of anti-white prejudice. Should she have…
EP 131. TREVOR NOAH & RACE
Jul 29, 2018 • 63 min
The French soccer team that won the World Cup was pretty black. Too black, apparently, for racists, white supremacists and… Daily Show host Trevor Noah? A brouhaha between Trevor Noah and the French Government gives us an insight into the vast difference…
EP 130. SCREW THE THAI CAVE BOYS
Jul 21, 2018 • 56 min
Rachel Corbett is the Director of Podcasts for Mamamia and a panelist on the TV show The Project. In a refreshing absence of political news, she explains to Josh why he should care about the saga of the 11 boys who were trapped in a Thai cave for 17 days.…
EP 129. KYLE KULINSKY
Jul 15, 2018 • 51 min
Kyle Kulinski is progressive talk show host whose YouTube show, Secular Talk, has more than half a million subscribers and almost half a billion video views. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
EP 128. IS “CIVILITY” BULLSHIT?
Jul 7, 2018 • 76 min
How should we react to a government we despise? Is it moral for a restaurant to boot out a Trump administration official? Is it hypocritical for Republicans to call for “civility”? Is it fruitful for the Left to stage acts of civil defiance? How much…
EP 127. YOU’RE GOING TO DIE OF BIRD FLU
May 30, 2018 • 54 min
You probably eat chicken, right? You might even be eating some right now. But how did they go from scrawny fowl, scratching around in the wild, to the industrial commodity that they are now? Maryn McKenna is an American author and journalist whose work…
EP 126. CALL ME BY YOUR MEME
May 20, 2018 • 52 min
What’s better than a Royal Wedding, you ask? How about an all-new LIVE episode taped during the Royal Wedding with three of Australia’s most famous, thoughtful and funny media personalities. Live from Sydney, it’s a show about viral meme-tornadoes (here’s…
EP 125. LALO DAGACH
May 15, 2018 • 67 min
Are Muslims Arabs? Is criticism of Islam a form of racism? And what is the deal with the meteoric rise of Jordan Peterson and “the Intellectual Dark Web”? As a non-Muslim, the Arab commentator Lalo Dagach is a champion of minority rights in the Arab…
EP 124. NUCLEAR PHYSICS + COMEDY
May 7, 2018 • 44 min
How many parallel universes do we live in? What exactly are subatomic particles? And why have we been colliding them beneath the border of Switzerland and France? Kevin Peter Hickerson is a nuclear physicist and the host of the comedy podcast ‘Surely…
EP 123. JOHANN HARI
Apr 28, 2018 • 51 min
Why is this modern life so anxious? Why are we popping so much Prozac and Xanax? British journalist Johann Hari has a bombshell of a theory. You’ve seen him on Real Time with Bill Maher. His TED talk has been viewed nearly 10 million times. His previous…
EP 122. MICHAEL IAN BLACK
Apr 22, 2018 • 65 min
Michael Ian Black is famous for The State and Wet Hot American Summer. He is very funny. He is very thoughtful. He dislikes guns. He likes moose. What does that make him? Exactly: A perfect guest for this very show. Feed your gray cells and tickle your…
EP 121. WAR!!!!! LIVE FROM SYDNEY
Apr 15, 2018 • 59 min
WAR!!!! No, not just airstrikes on Syria, but a live show plumbing military history, the guts of sacrifice, and why millennials are rolling the dice with civilization. It’s an all-net LIVE episode with the comic’s comic James Smith (as seen on Conan…
EP 120. WHAT IS RACE?
Apr 7, 2018 • 65 min
Josh takes a moment to talk about this thing we call race. Is it real? Or is it a social construct? Or is it both? And can you really tell if someone is Irish just by looking at them? Greg Smithsimon is a Professor of Sociology at Brooklyn College at the…
EP 119. WILL JOHN BOLTON DESTROY THE WORLD?
Mar 25, 2018 • 54 min
A sea change is sweeping the White House. A new Secretary of State. A new CIA chief. And a new National Security Advisor, John Bolton. Will he destroy the world? “Yeah, probably.” That’s the hunch of the decidedly un-hysterical, deeply informed Anthony L.…
EP 118. #METOO & CONSENT
Mar 20, 2018 • 38 min
How can young people navigate the fraught waters of sex, consent and workplace courtships, now that Harvey Weinstein’s willy has ruined everything? Heidi Matthews is a Canadian law professor and a self-described socialist feminist sex radical. She has a…
EP 117. WHAT IS CHRISTIANITY?
Mar 11, 2018 • 78 min
In a world fractured by fundamentalism, Josh steps back to ask some bigger questions. How did Christianity come to rule the world? How does Islam hold sway over so many people? And what really went down in Bethlehem 2,000 years ago? Professor Francesca…
EP 116. MONEY! FREE MONEY FOR ALL!
Mar 3, 2018 • 68 min
Why is politics so partisan? Why is policy so dull? Why is the Left so bereft? And why isn’t the government dropping cash out of helicopters? One man who thinks it should is the rockstar writer Rutger Bregman, a baby-faced Dutchman who’s become the global…
EP. 115 WENDY HARMER & RACHEL CORBETT
Feb 24, 2018 • 64 min
Has #MeToo gone too far? Are we encouraging young women to be victims? In front of a live audience, two of Australia’s most successful women from different generations discuss sexual harassment. Political sex scandals. A red-faced Deputy Prime Minister.…
EP 114. GUNS IN AMERICA
Feb 17, 2018 • 59 min
Every time there’s a mass shooting in America, Josh considers recording this monologue and then shies away. But in the wake of the second-deadliest shooting at a public school in US history, Josh ditches our regular episode to bring you his unique…
EP 113. ARTIFICIAL MEAT
Feb 10, 2018 • 61 min
By the time you’re old, the idea of eating a burger that was sliced off the body of a dead cow may seem as antiquated as using a whale’s fat to light your home. That’s the hope of Paul Shapiro, whose new bestselling book, Clean Meat: How Growing Meat…
EP 112. DR KARL KRUSZELNICKI
Feb 3, 2018 • 50 min
Why is there so much confusion about climate science? “Dr Karl” is the most popular face of science in Australia. He’s technically a Fellow at the Sydney University School of Physics, but every Aussie knows him from TV. He has a weekly radio segment on…
EP 111. AUSTRALIA DAY: LIVE FROM SYDNEY!
Jan 27, 2018 • 65 min
Happy Australia Day, America. We discuss why Australia’s national day is so controversial (hint: lots of Aboriginal people got killed), what makes Aussies weird, what perplexes us about Americans, why some countries truly are shitholes, and why babies…
EP 110. RICHARD DAWKINS
Jan 22, 2018 • 64 min
Two days after Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton in the presidential election, Josh sat down with one of the world’s greatest scientists and rationalists, Richard Dawkins, at a live event at Philadelphia’s Penn Museum. Since it’s the one-year anniversary…
EP. 109 WHO RUINED 2017?
Jan 13, 2018 • 68 min
Welcome back, humans! After a holiday hiatus, Josh wants some meaty New Year’s insights. What did we do wrong in 2017? How might we do 2018 better? The man to ask is Tim Dean, Moral Philosopher. He and Josh wrestle with identity politics, Islamism,…
EP. 108 DAVID PAKMAN
Nov 14, 2017 • 65 min
What’s wrong with “liberal” podcasters? What’s wrong with liberalism? What’s wrong with America? David Pakman knows. He’s the host of The David Pakman Show, a nationally syndicated progressive talk show, which can be seen on more than 160 television and…
EP. 107 LIVE IN BROOKLYN: Trump’s First Year!
Nov 6, 2017 • 65 min
Precisely three years before the Re-Election Of The Greatest President Ever, Josh and his favorite guests convene a blockbuster live show at Union Hall in New York. This may be the biggest, greatest, yugest, most beautiful episode ever. The hilarious…
EP. 106 DON’T CALL HIM “BLACK”
Oct 25, 2017 • 76 min
Kmele Foster is a firebrand political debater and the host of The Fifth Column podcast. He was recently shouted down by students at a university panel on free speech. Kmele and Josh discuss being black (or not?), the culture wars, opposition to Trump, and…
EP. 105 BEN SHAPIRO
Sep 24, 2017 • 103 min
Ben is the editor-in-chief of The Daily Wire and host of the “top conservative podcast in the nation”, The Ben Shapiro Show. If you watch cable news, you’ve seen him. If you’re on Twitter, you’ve seen him. His books are New York Times bestsellers like…
EP. 104 SCOTT ADAMS OF “DILBERT”
Sep 5, 2017 • 108 min
Scott is among Donald Trump’s most intriguing fans. He’s one of the world’s most successful cartoonists as the creator of “Dilbert”, the comic strip that appears in 2,000 newspapers in 65 countries and 25 languages. His blog posts predicting Trump’s…
EP. 103 LOUIS THEROUX & JON RONSON
Aug 31, 2017 • 51 min
It’s a special summer spectacular, “The Best of the Brits”, in which Josh brings you highlights from two of his favorite observers of human behavior. Louis Theroux and Jon Ronson are among Britain’s best-loved media personalities: curious documentarians…
EP. 102 IS “WHITESPLAINING” BULLSHIT?
Aug 29, 2017 • 100 min
Do you “mansplain”? Do you “whitesplain”? Josh gets into a robust argument about identity politics, free speech and political correctness with proud left-winger Thomas Smith of the podcast Serious Inquiries Only. What role do straight white males have in…
EP. 101 MAJORITY REPORT’S MICHAEL BROOKS
Aug 15, 2017 • 109 min
MAJORITY REPORT’S MICHAEL BROOKSLeft-wing conversational bomb-thrower Michael Brooks is launching his own online talk show. But can he save the world? Josh gets heated with him about how to change politics, whether ideas can beat raw power, and why dung…
EP. 100 HOW TO BE HAPPY
Aug 5, 2017 • 75 min
In turbulent times, we can lose sight of the little things—such as, for example, the meaning of life. Oliver Burkeman hasn’t. His weekly column in The Guardian debates insights into social psychology, self-help culture, productivity and the science of…
EP. 99 BRET WEINSTEIN: FREE SPEECH HERO, OR WHITE-PRIVILEGED DICK?
Jul 14, 2017 • 100 min
Professor Bret Weinstein is the man at the center of the Evergreen College crisis. At this moment of national angst about racial equity, free speech and campus protests, Bret’s story has exploded everywhere from the New York Times to Fox News—the tale of…
EP. 98 “THE RED PILL” AND MEN’S RIGHTS
Jun 28, 2017 • 61 min
What is male privilege? What is female empowerment? Is it misogynistic to criticize feminism? Is it wrong to care about “men’s rights”? The argument has erupted again in Australia amid protests over a new American documentary funded by Men’s Rights…
EP. 97 L.S.D., NAZIS & NIXON
Jun 21, 2017 • 50 min
“America’s War on Drugs” is a new History Channel show that uncovers how the C.I.A. and the mafia stoked America’s appetite for illegal drugs. The show’s executive producer, Anthony Lappe, sits down with Josh to blow your mind abut the creation of L.S.D.,…
EP. 96 THE FUTURE OF ISLAM
Jun 15, 2017 • 79 min
Ali Rizvi grew up in Libya, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, and moved to North America when he was 24. He now writes about atheism, secularism and Islam. In the wake of the Manchester concert attack and two London terrorist attacks, Ali and Josh dig into the…
EP. 95 THE ETHICS OF EATING MEAT
Jun 12, 2017 • 47 min
Of all the things most of us do every day, one of the most morally significant is eating the flesh of other sentient creatures. Are you conflicted about it? Why? Is it only factory farming which is nasty? Or is it also a problem to eat happy animals?…
EP 94. FREE SPEECH: BILL MAHER, KATHY GRIFFIN, CAMPUS PROTESTS *sigh*
Jun 7, 2017 • 75 min
It’s been a big few weeks for the forces of anti-free-speech-ism. Bill Maher should be fired for saying the N-word, apparently. Kathy Griffin already has been. A professor at a liberal college woulda been fired if he coulda been, for not seeing “racism”…
EP. 93 VERY BAD ETHICS
Jun 5, 2017 • 53 min
Dig deep into your brain juice, humans, and geek out about morality and the limits of reason. It’s Part Two of Josh’s sit-down with the Very Bad Wizards: philosopher Tamler Sommers and psychologist David Pizarro. Is Reason an effective guide to moral…
EP. 92 THE VERY BAD WIZARDS
Jun 1, 2017 • 83 min
Behold! The wizards speaketh! Tamler Sommers is a philosopher and David Pizarro is a psychologist who ponder human morality on their podcast, Very Bad Wizards. Josh recently endorsed them on episode 86 of this show, which shot them up the iTunes charts,…
EP. 91 AMERICA NEEDS A STORY
May 29, 2017 • 66 min
Put your history hats on, humans. It’s time for everyone’s favorite charismatically-rumpled Professor of Democracy & Justice to make the case for, well… Democracy! And Justice! (It’s right there in his job title.) Everyone wants to feel part of a story…
EP. 90 HE’S NOT GOING TO BE IMPEACHED
May 25, 2017 • 58 min
If Josh had a penny for every time he’s seen someone gushing breathlessly about “the i-word” in recent weeks, he’d have multiple pennies. And he’d be rich! But what is impeachment? How does it work? Has President Trump done anything impeachable? And if he…
EP. 89 JAKE TAPPER WON’T LIKE THIS EPISODE
May 23, 2017 • 61 min
Kmele Foster of FreeThink Media is our guest this week. He doesn’t like Jake Tapper. Because Jake Tapper believes in objectivity. But doesn’t Kmele? Doesn’t Josh? Wait, what? Can’t journalism be objective? Josh and Kmele wrestle with the question until…
EP. 88 SAM HARRIS Part #2
May 15, 2017 • 71 min
Sam Harris and Josh wrestle with such mind-expanding questions as what it means to be self-aware, whether computers will ever feel, and whether consciousness might be woven into the very fabric of the universe. Plus, Josh quizzes Sam on the controversial…
EP. 87 WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENTS’ DINNER
May 10, 2017 • 79 min
James West and Ben Dreyfus are young renegade reporters who work as Senior Editors at the non-profit investigative news magazine Mother Jones. They recently attended the White House Correspondents’ Dinner which President Trump ducked. They join Josh to…
EP. 86 SAM HARRIS Part #1
May 8, 2017 • 70 min
Free speech. Campus protests. Black Lives Matter. Snowflakes. Sam Harris is one of America’s most insightful and controversial public intellectuals. He sits down with Josh to discuss his life, his creativity, and his podcast. What is the impact of…
EP. 85 LIVE FROM NEW YORK Part #2: Race, Feminism and Trump
May 1, 2017 • 43 min
At a live Brooklyn lollapalooza, three commanding comics join Josh to discuss being black,female and/or just weird in the first 100 days of Trump’s America. Join Corinne Fisher, Myq Kaplan and Chris Hamilton as they make debate healthy again. Weee!!!!…
EP. 84 LIVE FROM NEW YORK: 100 Days of Drumpf!
Apr 26, 2017 • 50 min
#WeThePeople LIVE has been picked up by Slate’s Panoply network and we’re celebrating with a return to our roots: Bantering live in a Brooklyn bar. Slate Political Gabfest host David Plotz joins Mike Pesca of Slate’s daily podcast, The Gist, and…
EP. 83 W.T.F. IS UP IN EUROPE?
Apr 19, 2017 • 72 min
Three big stories are coming out of EuropaLand this week, and Josh wants to figure out what they mean for you. First, the UK just announced a surprise early election; second, France goes to the polls next week in an election that could blow up the E.U.…
EP. 82 UNITED AIRLINES #BUMPGATE
Apr 13, 2017 • 75 min
The world has gone gaga over a viral video of an innocent passenger being dragged violently off a plane. Why? Why are we so transfixed? Why are airlines so crappy, and cops so aggressive? Why are corporations so cynical, and why do we stand by? Josh…
EP. 81 WAR WITH SYRIA? YAY! (with Eli Lake)
Apr 9, 2017 • 52 min
President Trump has fired missiles into Syria after its dictator, President Assad, gassed civilians. The alt-Right is furious. The Left is, too. Who better to burst the anti-Trump bubble than a smart hawk like Eli Lake? He and Josh break down the most…
EP. 80 FRANK RICH : DEFENDING THE BUBBLE
Mar 29, 2017 • 39 min
Should Democrats give a damn about hillbillies? They seem to feel they should. Since Trump, there’s been much hand-wringing about how to escape the liberal bubble and understand the white rural working poor. “Quit it”, says Frank Rich, the editor-at-large…
EP.79 ANDY KINDLER VS TWITTER
Mar 24, 2017 • 50 min
It’s been a controversial week for comedy legend Andy Kindler. The Letterman alum kicked a hornet’s nest by tweeting that Sam Harris is an anti-Muslim bigot… on what turned out to be the eve of a jihadist attack on Westminster. Harris pushed back. A…
EP 78. LOUIS THEROUX
Mar 15, 2017 • 55 min
Louis Theroux is one of the most important figures on British TV. His BBC documentaries have won him two BAFTAs, an Emmy nomination and superstar status across the pond (and Down Under). Louis started out as a correspondent on Michael Moore’s NBC show “TV…
EP.77 Eiynah, Pakistani Sex Blogger
Mar 7, 2017 • 61 min
Amid all the chatter about Muslim bans, refugees and anti-discrimination, it can be tricky to know how to tread on the topic of Islam. Join Josh and Eiynah, the renowned ex-Muslim pro-sex feminist, as they dig into the thorny issues of Trumpism, Islamism…
EP. 76 DON’T CALL IT A STATE OF THE UNION
Mar 2, 2017 • 55 min
What does a sharp New York gal from a Trump-voting Wisconsin county think about the President’s first speech to Congress? And about Syrians? And about identity politics? And about end-of-life health care for greedy baby boomers? Why, Josh digs into it all…
EP. 75 TRUMP & AUSTRALIA
Feb 21, 2017 • 48 min
Who cares about Australia? Well, Trump does, a bit. And Josh does, a lot. And so does Aussie journalist and all-round clever funny guy James West, of Mother Jones magazine in New York. Together, they explain Australia’s refugee policy, the kerfuffle…
EP. 74 DECONSTRUCTING MILO
Feb 18, 2017 • 64 min
A Trump supporter and a anti-Trumper walk into a bar to discuss Milo Yiannopoulos, masculinity and the backlash from the Left… and get derailed into discussing immigration, assimilation, bigotry, neoliberalism and whether The West Is The Best. How will it…
EP. 73 MYQ KAPLAN THE PHILOSOPHER COMIC KING
Feb 12, 2017 • 87 min
Free will! Marxism! Moral philosophy! Cruelty to animals! Cruelty to Nazis! Sam Harris! Peter Singer! This week, Josh takes a break from politics in a wide-ranging, thought-provoking dialog with the wisest comedian we know, Myq Kaplan. The two of them…
EP. 72 IS TRUMP STAGING A COUP?
Feb 4, 2017 • 53 min
Probably not. Who knows? Maybe Medium.com does. Several articles have gone viral on Facebook with titles like ““Trial balloon for a coup.” Might the chaos of Trump’s first two weeks be a deception? Whom should we believe, dear listener? Why, Josh! He gets…
BONUS: IMMIGRATION RANT
Jan 29, 2017 • 12 min
Josh has a lot to say. About 13 minutes worth of thoughts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Ep. 71 IS IT OKAY TO PUNCH A NAZI?
Jan 24, 2017 • 63 min
In such a crazy week debating really does need saving and luckily this week’s guest made debate great again. Josh is joined by Sabrina Jalees, Josh Androsky and Eliza Skinner. @JOSHZEPPS @WTP_LIVE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit…
EP. 70 TSAR TRUMP & OUR DOOMED MEDIA
Jan 14, 2017 • 83 min
After a relaxing holiday hiatus, we’re back! And so is America’s political shitstorm. Amid sordid rumors about his links to Russia, Trump held his first press conference as president-elect. Today, Josh is joined from Moscow by Russian dissident journalist…
Ep. 69 JOSH GETS JADED
Dec 18, 2016 • 40 min
Welcome back humans. Back when we were young, supple and innocent, Josh took the show to Philly. We have finally recovered from the disturbing news we received while there and are now ready to release this episode… I’m being semi serious, but also you’ll…
Ep. 68 Andy Kindler & Josh Have a Ball
Dec 9, 2016 • 61 min
Welcome back, humans. Do you need a break from the storm? Something personal and fun? Well, we did. So enjoy this conversation between legendary comic Andy Kindler and Josh. @WTP_LIVE @JOSHZEPPS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit…
Ep. 67 CARRIE & SAMHITA: A Republican Feminist & a Democratic Feminist Walk Into a Bar
Dec 2, 2016 • 58 min
Josh is joined by white Republican female human Carrie Sheffield and non-white Democratic female human Samhita Mukopadhyay. But we don’t see labels, coz we’re, like, so totes beyond identity. Does Trump herald the end of identity politics, or its…
Ep. 66 FELIX SALMON’s SOLEMN SONG
Nov 23, 2016 • 65 min
Welcome back humans! Fusion’s financial megawhizz breaks down the breakdown of the American working class. Globalization? NAFTA? China? What to do? And what will Trumponomics look like? @WTP_LIVE @JOSHZEPPS #MakeDebateHealthy Learn more about your ad…
Ep. 65 Where To Now, Señor Trump?
Nov 16, 2016 • 107 min
Welcome back humans! Now that the election dust has settled Josh delivers a 21 minute speech like you’ve never heard on this show before. Then our favorite socialist, Harvey Kaye, and our favorite libertarian, Kmele Foster, wrestle with the future of the…
Ep. 64 DAVID PLOTZ: WILL AN ADULT BE IN CHARGE?
Nov 9, 2016 • 37 min
Josh is joined by Slate’s Political Gabfest host David Plotz. They take turns trying to calm eachother. #MakeDebatehealthy @WTP_LIVE @JOSHZEPPS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Ep. 63 LIVE With Swingers
Nov 7, 2016 • 42 min
Welcome back humans! This week Josh broke out of his elitist high tower and went deep into the heartland of a swing state! Well, he went to Philly and talked to a bunch of smug comics, but it’s a great show that made debate lighthearted and healthy!…
Ep. 62 Election Clock Ticks
Nov 3, 2016 • 54 min
Welcome back humans! The countdown is on and Josh was able to wax and worry with our friends at the Majority Report. As always, Sam Seder and Michael Brooks help keep things healthy. Enjoy! @WTP_LIVE @JOSHZEPPS #MakeDebateHealthy Learn more about your ad…
Ep. 61 Trumped-Up!
Oct 27, 2016 • 67 min
We are back with a live and HEATED debate humans! Josh was joined by three fan favorites, Akilah Hughes, Chris Hamilton and James Myers and debate got extra healthy. Strap yourself in for an intense hour. #MakeDebateHealthyAgain @JOSHZEPPS @WTP_LIVE Learn…
Ep. 60 Bonus- Social Media Hangover!
Oct 18, 2016 • 30 min
Welcome back humans! This is a bonus complain-fest with our crew from Ep. 57, Roger Sachar, Giluia Rozzi and Michael Moynihan. They stuck around for a bit to talk about the hellhole we all love…twitter. Will be back with a topical episode about this weeks…
Ep. 59 MIKE PESCA ON TRUMP
Oct 10, 2016 • 47 min
The day after one of the most fiery presidential debates in a generation — after a week of Trumpian cataclysms and defections — Josh dials in from an undisclosed location in Bangkok to riff with the one and only Mike Pesca, host of The Gist, about the…
Ep. 58 Zombie Spider
Oct 6, 2016 • 59 min
Trump! Islam! Syria! Multiculturalism! Transgender words! Danish hot dogs! Devour it all as Josh pulls no punches with Gad Saad, the firebrand behavioral scientist who makes regressive leftists quake in their sustainably-farmed hemp booties. Saad is a…
Ep. 57 Debate Hangover
Sep 29, 2016 • 41 min
Welcome back humans! Josh took the stage at Over the Eight with the lovely Roger Sachar, Michael Moynihan and Giulia Rozzi to get past the “oh snap he went there” and dig a little deeper. And when they dug in, it got dark, it got funny, blow up penises…
Ep. 56 What You Wont Hear at the Debate
Sep 25, 2016 • 56 min
Welcome back humans. Josh jumped on the Skype to talk to the wise Nick Gillespie about voices and topics that need to be a part of our debate…but won’t be. #MakeDebateHealthyAgain @JOSHZEPPS @WTP_LIVE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit…
Ep. 55 HILLARY’S OBITUARY: What’s Up With Clinton?
Sep 20, 2016 • 75 min
Donald and Hillary are now neck-and-neck in key battleground states. Is this a temporary blip, or is Clinton floundering? What is it about Hillary that makes her such a hard sell? HuffPost political guru Jason Linkins dissects the Foibles of the Clinton…
Ep. 54 Getting to “Wrecked”
Sep 16, 2016 • 37 min
Welcome back humans! Josh sat down with “Wrecked” star Zach Cregger before the show became a hit. The two talk about the creative drive and the risks they take. Enjoy! @WTP_LIVE @JOSHZEPPS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Ep. 53 More of Sam Harris! Joe Rogan! Hannibal Buress! A Conversation About Conversations, Part II
Sep 8, 2016 • 74 min
Welcome to Part Deux of a difficult conversation about having difficult conversations. Three of Josh’s favorites minds joined him for a powerful discussion. Listen to Part One first. Let’s #makedebatehealthyagain, humans. @wtp_live @joshzepps Learn more…
Ep. 52 Sam Harris! Joe Rogan! Hannibal Buress! A Conversation About Conversations, Part I
Sep 8, 2016 • 109 min
Welcome, humans, to a difficult conversation about having difficult conversations. Three of Josh’s favorites minds join him for a powerful discussion that gets… interesting. Hey. We’re here to #makedebatehealthyagain, folks. @wtp_live @joshzepps Learn…
Ep. 51 Getting Personal
Sep 5, 2016 • 34 min
Welcome back humans! On this bonus episode we continue our conversation with Myq Kaplan, Corinne Fisher and James Myers, but this half hour takes a personal turn. It’s about sex scandals, it’s about relationships, it’s about blood play. It’s everything we…
Ep. 50 What The Hell Is A Safe Space?
Sep 1, 2016 • 52 min
Welcome back humans! This week Josh is joined by Myq Kaplan, Corinne Fisher, and James Myers live at Over the Eight Bar in Brooklyn. But, this episode isn’t about hipster bars, it’s about the about the border, sports stadiums, college campuses, the…
Ep. 49 Is It Really About Race?
Aug 26, 2016 • 41 min
Welcome back humans! This week Josh has an in-depth conversation with Negin Farsad and Kmele Foster about racial profiling and personal identity. They laugh, they provoke one another, they sweat, they #MakeDebateHealthyAgain. @JoshZepps @WTP_LIVE Learn…
Ep. 48 Getting Real & Uncomfortable
Aug 20, 2016 • 48 min
Welcome back humans! We are damn near live at Majority FM with great guests Kmele Foster, Negin Farsad, and Krystyna Hutchinson! On this ep we discuss the horse race, take a brief reprieve to chat about the Olympics, and then we dive into people yelling…
We The Mentally Ill
Aug 12, 2016 • 38 min
Welcome back humans! This country is very good at many things, for instance prescribing medications or labeling people. We are not so good at discussing mental illness in a personal and complicated way. That’s why this week Josh is joined by Ali Rachel…
Ep. 47 LIVE: Democratic Conventionpalooza!
Jul 28, 2016 • 47 min
Welcome back to another genuinely live show humans! This week Josh is joined by Kmele Foster, Kyle Ayers, and Samhita Mukhopadhyay. The four examine the DNC convention from top to bottom, from left to right… and other ways! Then, they take a closer look…
A Socialist & a Republican go to a bar
Jul 23, 2016 • 33 min
Welcome to a post GOP convention show! Frequent guest Michael “Socialist” Brooks and Roger “Republican” Sachar sat down last month to talk the future the Republicans. We figured this is the perfect week to bring it to you. @JoshZepps @WTP_LIVE…
Ep. 46 Which Lives Matter?
Jul 15, 2016 • 55 min
Welcome back to a heated three person panel WTPL. This episode was recorded last night as the attacks in France were unfolding, so Josh and guests had time to reflect on the current shit show that was developing and look back at last week’s tragedies.…
Dave Rubin and Josh Talk… Finally.
Jul 13, 2016 • 56 min
You spoke, humans, and we listened. After much clamouring from their mutual fans, Josh finally caught up with Dave Rubin: comic, TV host, anti-regressive-leftist and Islamophobia-phobe. Tune in as they discuss politics, culture, terrorism, liberalism and…
AUSTRALIAN ELECTION #2: Charlie Pickering
Jul 7, 2016 • 27 min
Welcome to Part II of our special Australian Election coverage. Josh jumped on the Skype with Charlie Pickering (basically Australia’s John Oliver) to flesh out what the hell happened at the Aussie election over the weekend. It’s a cliffhanger, folks.…
AUSTRALIAN ELECTION #1: Wil Anderson
Jul 7, 2016 • 35 min
Guess what? There was an election in Australia! A big one! A weird one! In part #1 of our two-part AustralianElectionPalooza Special, Josh sits down with the wildly popular Aussie comic and TV host Wil Anderson to help Americans feel better about their…
BREXIT: Felix Salmon is Panicking
Jun 24, 2016 • 22 min
Josh jumped on the phone with Felix Salmon to discuss BREXIT. @WTP_LIVE @JOSHZEPPS #MakeDebateHealthyAgain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Ep. 45 Unlive- State of the Media Address
Jun 24, 2016 • 38 min
Welcome back to a very not live but very we-the-people-ie conversation. Josh sat down with frequent smart-ass Anthony Lappé and WTPL rookie Sarah Aziza. Sarah is an up and coming journalist, Anthony is a grizzled veteran and they serve up a fascinating…
Ep. 44 Is Hillary Clinton More like Mom or Stepmom?
Jun 20, 2016 • 48 min
Welcome to another odd WeThePeople LIVE! Due to a last minute emergency Josh handed the reigns to beloved WTPL vet Michael Brooks. Joining Michael were three delightful guest: Kevin Allison, Roger Sachar, and Aparna Nancherla. The four make debate very…
Tell Me About It- Kaddish
Jun 17, 2016 • 19 min
Welcome to something totally different! This is a one on one with WTPL producer Grant Irving. Grant is releasing an intense story on the CBC’s LOVEME podcast on Monday the 20th. Josh sat down with Grant to discuss everything that went into making this…
Excerpt— How we talk about terrorism in wake of Orlando
Jun 12, 2016 • 8 min
PODCAST’S PRESCIENT DEBATE ON ISLAMISM, HOMOPHOBIA & TERRORISM In a conversation that now feels tragically relevant, the most recent episode of #WeThePeople LIVE—released the day before the Orlando attack—featured a heated disagreement about Islam,…
Ep. 43 Polite Debate on Extremist and Horrible Actions
Jun 10, 2016 • 52 min
Welcome back to a new and classic #WTPL episode! Josh is joined at Majority FM studios by Anthony Lappé, June Thomas, and Adullah Saeed. It’s a new episode because it’s new. It’s a classic episode because we have reasoned and clever individuals talking…
Ep. 42 Disco Bloodbath
May 31, 2016 • 42 min
Hello humans! Welcome back to another exciting live WTPL. Warning, this week is low on the funny, high on the murder, and fascinating as always! Our guest were Michele Lhooq and Michael Alig. I’m not going to say much more but if you don’t do violent…
WTPL- TELL US ABOUT IT
May 27, 2016 • 23 min
Hello humans! Welcome to a whole new type of WeThePeople. We want to know you humans. We want to know what you believe and feel strongly about. So check out this new episode to see what the hell I’m talking about and then send up your belief!…
Ep. 41 Ryan Singer- Home is Where the Toilet is
May 20, 2016 • 43 min
Welcome back humans! During our trip to LA Josh and I looked for all the free coffee and bacon we could get and it led us to Ryan Singer’s door. Luckily, Ryan doesn’t just make good coffee and bacon but he’s a fantastic and weird comic. This is an episode…
Ep. 40 They Know What You Order
May 16, 2016 • 37 min
We are back live, fresh off a trip from LA, and back at Over the Eight Bar in Brooklyn. And, we couldn’t have come home to a better show. Myq Kaplan, Seth Herzog and Kerry Coddett join Josh to talk a little Trump, a little hate, and a lot of internet…
Ep. 39 The Smuggest
May 6, 2016 • 36 min
Welcome back humans! And, welcome our brilliant panelist back. John Opdycke, Jena Friedman, and Chemda stuck around to hear John’s sales pitch. John is on a mission to reform the primary voting system and the debate, as it is meant to be, got healthy.…
BONUS- Becky Deconstructed
Apr 29, 2016 • 14 min
Humans! This is a bonus for episode 38. Our mentioned Resident Beyonce expert showed up. So here is the most important story will ever bring to you, an extra ten minutes on Beyonce. @wtp_live @JoshZepps Learn more about your ad choices. Visit…
Ep. 38 The Perils of Hypotheticals
Apr 29, 2016 • 42 min
Welcome back humans! We are live at Over the Eight in Brooklyn with a lovely panel taking on the array of topics you expect from us. Sincere thank you to John Opdycke, Chemda, and Jena Friedman for joining us to discuss the election, trans rights,…
Ep. 37 Limping to the Convention
Apr 22, 2016 • 52 min
Welcome to WTP un-live, but very topical humans! Here you go, you’ve been asking for it, a real head to head debate with a Hillary Hoe and a Bernie Bro. I mean, the incredibly intelligent and lovely Jamia Wilson and Harvey Kaye. Help make debate healthy…
36. Hillary Hoe
Apr 15, 2016 • 15 min
Welcome back humans! We were joined in the Majority FM Studios last night by two heavy weights of political discourse, James West and Jamia Wilson. In under 16 minutes they give you humor, insight, and all that isn’t being covered well in this election.…
Ep. 35 So We Publicly Shame LIVE
Apr 8, 2016 • 38 min
Welcome back humans! Welcome back our all-star panel from last week, Jon Ronson, Corinne Fisher, Kystyna Hutchinson, and Artie Lange stayed on to discuss something they are truly experts on… shame. Jon’s last book (“So You’ve Been Publicly Shamed”which is…
Ep. 34 Extreme People Finding a Middle Ground
Apr 1, 2016 • 42 min
Welcome back humans! Josh is back in the states. And we are back live, at our new home, Over The Eight in Brooklyn. And, we are livelier than ever with a power house guest list. Artie Lange, Jon Ronson, Corrine Fisher, and Krystyna Hutchinson, are all on…
Ep. 33 Myq Kaplan On Jokes & Glass Blowing
Mar 25, 2016 • 45 min
Welcome to a special WTPL! Josh was sitting down with veteran LIVE guest Myq Kaplan, and thought, “wait we are hanging out in a studio, lets give the fans something…” And, because Josh only hangs out with people with microphones around, we proudly bring…
Ep. 32 Australia VS. America
Mar 18, 2016 • 52 min
Welcome back humans! The long running theme of comparing America to Josh’s native land finally becomes it’s own episode! Josh sits down in a bar with Aussie Ed Kavalee, and the two men cover it all. From policy to sitcoms! @JoshZepps @WTP_LIVE Learn more…
Ep. 31 The Most Extreme Reasonable Debate We’ve Moderated…
Mar 11, 2016 • 44 min
Hello Humans! Welcome back! Welcome to the most intense debate we’ve ever hosted! The most extreme discussion on ideology, and social structures— nope! Felix Salmon and Anthony Fisher have a fascinating and all too healthy conversation on libertarian…
Ep. 30 WTPL REWIND with Joe Rogan
Mar 5, 2016 • 68 min
A very special hour long episode of #WTP LIVE! Host, Josh Zepps, sits down with the comic philosopher Joe Rogan. The two compare their world views on Bernie Sanders, inequality, extremism, and just about everything else you’d expect. But, they don’t just…
Ep. 29 Election Coverage- Josh Vs. Lefties
Feb 26, 2016 • 54 min
Welcome back humans! This week we continue our election coverage at Majority Fm Studios. Josh sits down with, Mr. Majority, Sam Seder, and Michael Brooks to discuss if one sided coverage is good for anyone. The debate gets healthy. @JoshZepps @WTP_live…
Ep. 28 A Real Bernie Bro
Feb 19, 2016 • 48 min
Hello Humans! Welcome back to another election special. This weekJosh took it upon himself to make debate healthy while sitting down, one on one, with Harvey Kaye. Harvey is a bonafide Bernie supporter and Josh puts his feet to the fire (while they both…
Ep. 27 It’s Adam & Eve Not Reason & Math
Feb 12, 2016 • 31 min
Welcome back to a genuinely live #WeThePeople LIVE, and it is damn lively! Pine Box Rockshop was packed with a fantastic crowd and panel, dedicated to making debate healthy. Josh was joined by returning greats, Felix Salmon, Anthony Fisher, Abbi…
Ep. 26 Unlive- But Should We Talk About It?
Feb 5, 2016 • 59 min
Welcome back humans! This is an Unlive, and not even an Unlive at the bar— wait don’t feel betrayed…. We felt that with this ongoing election cycle that it’d be fun to examine the whole process from floor to ceiling, or from whatever points we don’t find…
Ep. 25 Do You Care What Lena Dunham Says?
Jan 29, 2016 • 43 min
Welcome back to #WeThePeople LIVE, where once again we were live, and boozy, from the wonderful Pine Box Rock Shop! Josh Zepps was well supported this week with wonderful guests, Akilah Hughes, Christine Nangle, Zhubin Parang, and Natasha Lennard. Four…
Ep. 24 Unlive- An Italian Guy, A Black Guy, & A Gay Guy at a bar…
Jan 22, 2016 • 38 min
Live from the Pine Box Rock Shop, Josh Zepps sits down with Artie Lange, and Chris Hamilton to bullshit about comedy. It’s just three guys talking about what used to be funny, what is funny, what is okay to say, what isn’t, and it’s hilarious. Enjoy…
Ep. 23 A Divided Nation & a Unified Divided Panel
Jan 15, 2016 • 40 min
Welcome to a brand new #WeThePeople LIVE! Before I tell you about the episode, here’s a quick note: We are now proud members of the Acast Platform! What’s that mean for you? Well, it means we have ads now, and it means we can keep doing the show and can…
Ep. 22 Un-Live: What America is Best At….
Jan 8, 2016 • 39 min
Welcome to a WeThePeople doubleheader! Today, Josh had two seperate conversations about what America does best… incarerate people… (sigh). But as always, both of these serious conversations come with snark, and more laughs than should be appropriate.…
Ep. 21 Un-live: America’s 2016 Future Told By Non-Americans
Dec 31, 2015 • 24 min
Happy New Years! We at #WTPL know that you like nothing more than hearing foreigners take shots at America. So, for this end of year wrap up, that’s exactly what we give you! Josh hangs out with Felix Salmon, and the shade goes everywhere… from charity-…
Bonus! As Merry As We Get
Dec 24, 2015 • 14 min
What happens when Josh is joining by a Jew from California, a Catholic from Maryland, and an atheist from Australia? Well, Ben Teitelbaum, Kate Balch, and Gemma Sapwell, have a totally pleasant and interesting conversation about Christmas, is what…
Ep. 20 But, Would You Eat Your Friend?
Dec 19, 2015 • 34 min
This episode is worth the wait! I know you all have been anxiously staring at your feeds, but the time has come. Josh is joined by three brilliant guest at Pine Box Rock Shop. This week Josh welcomed Lindsay Goldwert, Dan McCoy, and John Opdycke. And they…
Ep. 19 Sex Ed, Knives, and Trump
Dec 11, 2015 • 41 min
Hello humans! Thank you for joining Josh again for another forty minutes of political mayhem. This week Josh had the pleasure of welcoming an all new, and super talented group of panelist to Pine Box Rock Shop. Remember, just the other day, you asked,…
Ep. 18 Un-live series: We aren’t a democracy? That’s horse sh**!
Dec 3, 2015 • 27 min
Warning: this episode contains less than perfect audio quality (the joys and pitfalls of being live) but soon you’ll forget you’re hearing a hum, because this episode is intense! Josh welcomes back the always lovely and argumentative Derrick Clifton and…
Ep. 17 Joe Rogan Speaks to We The People
Nov 24, 2015 • 68 min
Here it is! A very special hour long episode of #WTP LIVE! Host, Josh Zepps, sits down with the comic philosopher Joe Rogan. The two compare their world views on Bernie Sanders, inequality, extremism, and just about everything else you’d expect. But, they…
Ep. 16 College Campus Crazy & Roast Warmup
Nov 13, 2015 • 35 min
Hellllllooooo! We are back live at Pine Box Rock Shop with some ideal guest for this week’s lunacy. Josh was joined by Anthony Lappé and the hosts of Guys We Fucked, Krystyna Hutchinson and Corinne Fisher. What’s wrestled with this episode? Some pre-show…
Ep. 15 UNLIVE series: POLITICAL CORRECT CULUTURE
Nov 4, 2015 • 32 min
Welcome to WTPL-Unlive! Our pre-taped series where we tackle one issue for the full half hour! Our first subject up- Political Correctness. What is it? Is it ever good? What’s the line between being PC and being a dick? Luckily, Josh is joined by an…
Ep. 14 Halloween, Minority Report in the UK, Buzzfeed’s Show Down
Oct 30, 2015 • 36 min
Warning: this episode contains less than perfect audio quality because of a technical difficulty, but shut up and listen anyways cause it’s free and hilarious. Over the hiss of the mixing board you’ll hear Josh hang out with guest James West, Scott…
Ep. 13 Questionable touching by Bill, and Anarchy in the house
Oct 23, 2015 • 36 min
We are back! And Josh Zepps kicks it off with some wonderful guests, Michael Brooks, Kerryn Feehan, and Mark Gagliardi let loose at Pine Box Rock Shop in Brooklyn. This episode goes everywhere, from personal stories with Bill Clinton, to all the squabbles…
Ep.12 Akilah Hughes, Joe Zimmerman, John Opdycke
Sep 7, 2015 • 37 min
Happy end of summer! Happy last episode of #WTP LIVE Season 1!!!! What a journey of Trump jokes, robots, and drunk-ness it has been. And this episode sends us out on a high note. Chill. We are back in October. (Just enough time for you to tell all your…
Ep.11 Derrick Clifton, Michael Brooks, Jeff Kreisler
Aug 30, 2015 • 34 min
Yeah, we know ‘live’ is in the title, but these pre-recorded episodes are really kicking ass. Joining Josh at Pine Box Rock Shop was Michael Brooks, Jeff Kreisler, and Derrick Clifton, and what good chemistry these smart people had. From a somehow silly,…
Ep.10 Akilah Hughes, Joanna Rothkopf, Anthony Lappé
Aug 24, 2015 • 38 min
Welcome to the double digits of #WTPL! Thank you for joining the people who listen to the people who bicker at Pine Box Rock Shop in front of the live people. You are them. Mr. Zepps welcomes the multitalented Joanna Rothkopf, Akilah Hughes, and Anthony…
Ep.9 Jimmy Dore, Debra Wilson, Jenny Churchhill
Aug 17, 2015 • 30 min
Surprise, this episode was taped in LA. You didn’t think we’d fly out to LA just to do one show did you? We are sorry that this is not live, but, paradoxically, we are not sorry because it’s great. Josh was lucky to be joined by three very interesting,…
Ep.8 Jena Friedman, Myq Kaplan, Scott Rogowsky
Aug 10, 2015 • 38 min
Back to Brooklyn! LA was great, but there’s nothing like doing a live show back at Pine Box Rock Shop! What a week in news Josh had to discuss with Jena Friedman, Myq Kaplan, and Scott Rogowsky. Big thank you for our three lovely panelist and everyone…
Ep.7 Greg Fitzsimmons, Fred Stoller, Zach Cregger
Aug 3, 2015 • 36 min
#WeThePeople LIVE went live to LA! And, what a worthwhile trip it was. Josh was joined by three very funny men. Greg Fitzsimmons, Fred Stoller, and Zach Cregger jumped on the panel at the wonderful Hotel Cafe in Hollywood. Big thank you to the guest, the…
Ep.6 Jamilah Lemieux, Pete Dominick, Michael Kayne
Jul 27, 2015 • 34 min
Welcome back, thank you for stopping what you’re doing, listening to this show and reading this description, you’re the best. This episode is not quite ‘live’, it was recorded a week previous, but it is quite the exceptional episode! Josh wrangled and…
Ep.5 Dave Hill, Negin Farsad, Andrew Kirell
Jul 20, 2015 • 34 min
Welcome back to a genuinely live #WeThePeople LIVE! Very proud and excited to bring you this great conversation. Josh was honored to quip with Dave Hill, Negin Farad, and Andrew Kirell in front of the hospitable crowd at Pine Box Rock Shop. Starting off…
BONUS! Greeks Talking Greece
Jul 14, 2015 • 4 min
Bonus Short! Josh was in Greece so he took sometime, literally between eating and drinking, to talk to some people. Enjoy accents, food analogies, insightfulness, and opinions that may be right…if you deem them popular. Thank you all for listening. We…
Ep.4 Tea Hacic, Mychal Denzel Smith, Anthony Fisher
Jul 13, 2015 • 34 min
Welcome back to #WeThePeople LIVE! As Josh is about to tell you, this is a prerecorded episode, so we took the opportunity to discuss some issues so constant that they get overlooked. Don’t worry, things get just as impassioned as our previous episodes.…
Ep.3 Jim Norton, Juan Thompson, Matt Welch
Jul 6, 2015 • 36 min
Hello humans! Thanks for listening to the first pre-recorded episode of #WeThePeople LIVE! Yes, pre-recorded and a show with live in the title is a bit of a contradiction, but press play and Josh will explain. This episode is delightful, we promise. This…
Ep.2 Sam Seder, Natasha Lennard, James West
Jun 29, 2015 • 33 min
Welcome back to #WeThePeople LIVE! What a week of news we had to discuss drunk and passionately. We were honored to have Sam Seder, Natasha Lennard, and James West join Josh and the lovely people at Pinebox Rockshop this week. We delve deep into the…
Ep.1 Jim Norton, Abbi Crutchfiled, Kevin Allison
Jun 22, 2015 • 30 min
The official first episode of #WeThePeople LIVE! We were honored to have Jim Norton, Abbi Crutchfield, and Kevin Allison as our guest. You’ll here fervered debate on the shooting in South Carolina, the republican candidates for president, the Pope…